Learned that buying anything 7.62 and larger gets you on a permanent ATF list

Gunstore B.S.

wow... you are already be on the list if you have ever bought a gun.

Huh? One gun store in my neck of the woods told me he would beat anyone's price by 10 percent that wasn't true either.

B.S. indeed.

Sounds like you need to acquire a set of hip waders before returning to that store.

Wow that's a new one! Did you believe him?

I find it hard to believe that anyone would actually even CONSIDER believing something that ridiculous...or think that anyone would think others would believe it.

About 30 years ago local detectives tracked me down from an ammo purchase. A rifle I had owned and traded was used in a murder for hire.

So much for that .50 I was looking at

That's why I only buy 7.61 ammo and smaller.

How, exactly, would the ATF know what it is that you are buying, anyway?

I've never been asked to report any purchases of any kind other than multiple handgun purchases within 5 days...

1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act FORBIDS the federal government from keeping or maintaining a database of gun owners. Period.

Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926 (2) (a): No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established.

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The FOPA also ended record keeping on ammunition sales (the 1968 GCA required ammunition dealers to record your name and address when you bought ANY ammo, the FOPA put a stop to that nonsense)

ditto on the B.S.

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I was at my FFL today and he told me that if you buy anything larger than 7.62mm you are automatically put on a permanent ATF list!!!!!

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Guess that means that when I bought my .375 H&H for my last safari, I became a "person of interest".

Sounds like the musings of an "ignorant", leadcounsel.

In this day and age, I suspect that we are all are on some sort of "list" since we own firearms, post on gun forums about our passion(s) for them as well as buying firearms and ammo (where legal) over the 'net.

If such is the case, I am fine with it, especially if it costs our idiot legislators and government executives a good night's sleep and makes them feel all uneasy.

There, now I've gone and done it. Probably on another "list" somewhere else for that smart crack, too. Oh, well...

Ask him if he needs a bucket next time you're in there.

"1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act FORBIDS the federal government from keeping or maintaining a database of gun owners. Period."

Well, that's it, then....we all know how the government always abides by the law.


Had a NICS gun check? You're recorded. NRA member? You're on the list. Member of this message board? You're being monitored. Hell, at this point in time EVERYBODY is being monitored....

I say fine. Don't care anymore. Make another note in my file. I think it's only fair that they know what they're goin' up against.

I was at my FFL today and he told me that if you buy anything larger than 7.62mm you are automatically put on a permanent ATF list!!!!!

Can anyone confirm this?

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Not to be rude, but - you're a lawyer. Folks in that profession are usually pretty good at critical thinking skills.

As others have mentioned, how in the world would the ATF know what caliber ammo you bought?

They wouldn't. Thus, no way to put anyone on any secret list.

How would they know? I've never been asked the caliber of any gun that I've had delivered to an FFL holder. He never says the caliber over the phone while doing a brady check either.

The ATF (and many OGA's) already have me on a list, and I suspect they have many of you on one too. I'm not loosing any sleep over it, and I suggest you don't either.

I'm on so many lists, "they" needed to make a list to keep track of 'em.

At the risk of veering off, I must point out. The government does, in fact, abide by laws such as the 86 FOPA, various constitutional amendments, laws, etc. pertaining to surveillance, bringing charges against people, etc. etc. There are many constitutional amendments and laws that prevent and safeguard people's rights and well being.

Unfortunately, with the precedent set by the previous administration,and continued by the current one, all your rights and limitations on police and government power essentially go out the window the moment you are labeled a "terrorist" and their piece of toilet paper we used to call a constitution is worth just that once you are labeled as such.

It is for this reason that the government reserves the ability to monitor you in the most invasive ways ie they can subpeona libraries, bookstores, any store that sells media like books CD's movies etc. for any information they have on what kind of things you read/watch/listen to.

In other words, if you think you can't be put on "the list" at the snap of a finger, think again

Well, I don't know how all the other states do it, but in Illinois you don't contact the ATF for a gun sale. The only authority that knows you bought a gun is the state police, and they only know if you bought a long gun or a handgun. The ATF doesn't know until you surrender your license and records, they ask, or you go out of business exactly what you bought. What a goof ball gunstore employee! I would stay away from that turd for sure!

At the risk of veering off, I must point out. The government does, in fact, abide by laws such as the 86 FOPA,

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No, they're SUPPOSED to.

Seems like Daley and Bloomberg and others are constantly at odds with authorities because they do NOT destroy the records within the required 24 hours, and it has nothing to do with the "previous administration."

No, they're SUPPOSED to.

Seems like Daley and Bloomberg and others are constantly at odds with authorities because they do NOT destroy the records within the required 24 hours, and it has nothing to do with the "previous administration."

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It seems you have misunderstood my post.

I was referring to how we have many laws and constitutional amendments to protect us, but the previous administration found a way to strip away all of such and deal with someone however they please, once they are labeled a "terrorist." The power is pretty juicy, and the current one, and most likely many to follow after it, have no intention of giving up such power.