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for new reloaders many recommend starting with a single stage kit or perhaps a turret? I don't need massive volumes of ammo for my realistic shooting needs and am very satisafied with Lee products.

LOTS of excellent advice and info to be found in the stickies on this forum.
 
I own both a Lee Pro and a Lee Classic Turret.

Start with the Classic Turret - hands down. You will actually be able to learn and enjoy reloading with the Classic Turret. The Lee Pro takes a LONG time to get going and functioning well -- it took me nearly one MONTH and 1500 rounds or so to get it to load faster than I can with my Classic Turret. The turret lets you go as fast or as slow as you want, and you only have one case to worry about. The Pro is picky, and when one thing jams, you have to start over with all three cases, and usually the next two.
 
Oh, and there's a shop called Kempf Gun Shop that sells kits. Awesome customer service and good if not great pricing -- they have a kit that has a Classic Turret in it, great deal on everything but a scale and components.
 
Welcome to the Forum and welcome to reloading, friend.

I gotta be honest. This has been discussed on the Forum a hundred times. Maybe more than that.

All the advice in the posts above sounds like good advice. Maybe do a search on Lee P1000 or Pro 1000 or Pro1000 or similar search terms. You'll find more information than any one person can post on a reply.

For some people, the Lee P1000 comes out of the box and loads cartridges like a champ for years. For other people, it just doesn't load one single cartridge. Most people in between find success by adjusting and tinkering for a few weeks. Then they read the instructions for a few weeks. Finally they follow the instructions successfully. Others claim to follow this route with no success. Go figure.
 
cidirkona's advice is so good, it bears repeating:

Start with the Classic Turret - hands down. You will actually be able to learn and enjoy reloading with the Classic Turret. The Lee Pro takes a LONG time to get going and functioning well...The turret lets you go as fast or as slow as you want, and you only have one case to worry about. The Pro is picky, and when one thing jams, you have to start over with all three cases, and usually the next two.

I've used both; I own both--but I don't use the Pro 1000 any more. Don't even think of starting / learning to reload on one.

Jim H.
 
I have the Lee classic turret press and I am glad that I bought it instead of the challenger kit. I had no doubts that I needed to learn to reload, so the turret press was the right choice for me. If you are new to this, the Challenger kit is still the best place to start. The classic turret press is basically a single stage press with a rotating turret. Take the index bar out, (takes 3 seconds) and it becomes a single stage.
Im considering picking up a Lee Loadmaster to do .223 with since I have a ton of .223 brass. It will have to wait until the checkbook gives me the OK to order it...
 
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Rage01,
I was at the same crossroads you are, believing there had to be something better than the single stage I was using, so I researched both presses on multiple forums...the conclusion: both will serve their intended purpose if you do your part.

The Pro1000: Gives the best service if you prep/size/prime away from the press. In so doing, you have inspected (trimmed if needed) cases, and maintained a level of quality/safety that will give you confidence. Set the press up to insert cleaned/primed cases, drop powder, seat the bullet, and factory crimp. In so doing you have eliminated the problems that cause the press to fail (i.e. lodged primers-both spent and new, as well as grit/dirt from dirty casings during sizing). Keeping it clean and adjusted seems to be key and of course, one handle pull equals one completed round. This press seems best suited for straight-walled pistol and .223 rounds. Caliber conversions can be tedious, which is why most will set up a 2nd press for their 2nd favorite caliber.

The Classic Cast Turret: Handles your larger cartridges which can be very handy if you shoot milsurp (ammo is often hard to find and the Pro1000 shouldn't be used for larger rifle cartridges-ymmv). You can also prime on the press using the Lee Safety Prime system and will be able to carefully monitor the round at each station. It is a very stout press, and gives you that feeling it will last a long time. Caliber conversions are fast, lower cost, and the press can be used single station when desired.

Is one better than the other? Depends upon your needs. If I had to choose one, it would be the Classic Cast Turret, but since I don't, I bought both. :D Hope this helps...


BCurry
 
Rage -

Welcome to THR !!

The Pro-1000 was Lee's first attempt at a progressive and it was, shall we say. "problematic". I owned several at one time and never could get them to stay working. I highly suggest any other press on the market.

Additionally, a progressive press is not a good first press for a newbie. There's simply too much going on to comprehend and troubleshoot... which may lead you to unsafe or unusable loads. Much better to start with a "single stage".

Rather than looking for a inexpensive new single stage, why not look around your locale for a deal on a used high-end press. The difference is significant and you'll likely get hundreds of dollars worth of extras thrown in.

Welcome aboard!
 
If any of you that have Pros that you no longer use, I wouldn't mind setting the. Up next to mine. :D I would mind having more red koolaid in my loading bench. Changing calibers in the Pro is not as super easy as it is on the Classic Turret.
 
The Pro-1000 was Lee's first attempt at a progressive and it was, shall we say. "problematic". I owned several at one time and never could get them to stay working.
Rfwobbly

Could you, please, describe what problems did you have with the Pro-1000?
 
thanks to everyone

I thank yall for the input and I think I am leaning towards the classic turret mainly so i can take my time with one round and make sure I learn the safest and best way for me to learn all this stuff.A good safe round is my main goal for just starting out,my wife and kids both will be shooting the rounds I load so for speed and lots of rounds is not top on my list.Thanks again Im sure i will be on here alot to learn as much from yall as possible.Rage01.
 
I started progressive loading with a Pro-1000 and have to say it has a learning curve and sometimes requires a bit of tinkering, but it makes great ammo quickly and you can buy any part of it cheap. Love it or hate it, I love mine. Priming off the press is not needed as long as you take some basic steps to make it prime well. I dump bulk brass in the case feeder and get great ammo.

Anybody needs to "dispose" of a Pro-1000, send it my way, it will get a good disposal.
 
I found that I eliminated most of the quirkiness of my Pro 1000 simply by using Magtech primers. For whatever reason, they just feed more consistently, don't go in sideways and seat flush more often. Out of 800 rounds per sitting, I'll only get one in sideways, as to CCIs where I'll get 15-20.

The problematic nature of the Lee progressive stems from a few places, some inherent by design, some that can be somewhat mitigated with hacks, and some you just have to live with. The biggest issue with the issues list is that once one happens, they all happen as a result one one failure. One problem will usually initiate the rest.

1) Primers flip on the ram. The primers are allowed onto the ram only when a case slides by the 'sensor' which pulls a spring and allows the ram to drop slightly down so that the primers can slide up and over the lip of the ram and on top. There is lateral pressure on the primers as the trough that the primers feed from the tray ends up acting like a little ski jump. If the primer ram goes up or down too fast, there's too much possibility of a primer rolling onto it's side rather than simply sliding onto the ram. This is also a similar issue if the ski jump trough gets too low on primers and causes too little lateral pressure.

2) Primers get seated half way.
If a primer gets seated half way either by a case with a wider rim gap (not sure the technical term,) by not pressing the lever hard enough, crimped case pocket, etc etc, there isnt' enough clerance between the shell plate and the carrier for the half primed case to rotate from that station to the next station.

3) Primers get stuck between the shell plate and carrier.
As mentioned above, there's not enough space to accommodate a wayward primer and too high of a chance of a primer just either not seating or getting dropped into the primer ram area too early. There isn't a designated area for an unused primer to go if it doesn't get picked up properly.

4) Plastic ratchet. If you stop half way through the lever movement, you must continue in that same direction. The ratchet, and drive gear are both nylon and strip very easily if you change directions. Getting to them is not easy either.

6) Plastic ratchet + case removal 'windows.'
If you want to pull a case from the system if the powder looks low, the primer didn't seat right, it's a bad case -- whatever, you cant simply pull a pin from that station and slide the case out. You have to raise the lever until the ratchet is disengaged and then turn the entire plate until that case reaches one of two 'windows' that allow the case to move off the station. This is also a problem if you want to insert a single already-primed case as you can't 'skip' the primer ram sensor unless you raise the arm to a certain height to disengage the ratchet, put the primed case in the LAST station, the turn the entire plate backwards two stations to put the case under the powder drop, and then continue as normal.

7) Case feeder tubes. Thin cheap plastic. If you bend one and get a kink, it won't feed cases right. These are right in front of your face too, and not out of the way in the back similar to other presses.

8) Collator. Needs a hack to drop cases in the right way, doesn't feed itself.

9) Z bar. The case feeder lever has some springloaded 'give' to it in case something gets jammed, but once it pops out, it tends to keep popping out. Lee shows you how to bend it back to make it stay better after this happens, but it's not perfect.

10) Small breakable parts. The case holder springs, ejector wire, case sensor, primer ram spring sensor, powder bar return spring, powder hopper screws, drive ratchet, drive gear, etc etc are all small easily lost or breakable parts.

11) Table = primer catch. You have to drill an extra hole in the table somewhere in the frame for spent primers to get caught and fall through. The body of the press is a the primer catch. There's a hole in the ram for spent primers to fall through, and then a ski jump for them to slide out of and a catching funnel i the top of the press body. This also causes the olympic-hopeful spent primers to go skipping across the table.

12) Shellplate conversions -- not really an issue as much of as an annoyance -- shell plate changes are nowhere near simple on a Lee. Toolhead and shellholder changes on a Classic Turret can literally happen in under 10 seconds total (if you stop to read this novel of a post in the middle) but changing a shell plate on a Lee Pro requires removing the entire carrier from the press and remembering that certain cheap plastic items are threaded backwards. (Righty loosey!)

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That all being said, I love my Pro 1000. Now that I've gotten it all figured out and most of the bugs worked out, and tricks for preventing one issue from causing all of the others, I can (semi)easily and safely (every case is visually checked for powder before a bullet it seated and every case is felt for primer depth) load 400+ cases per hour. Considering I was getting almost 250 per hour on the turret though, it's not a HUGE improvement. The cost is great though (and I can't afford other companies' progressives) so I really can't complain. I'm considering getting another just to load 223 with (although i'd still do all my resizing and priming on the Classic Turret as I do now.)

The main problems with the Classic Turret are that even when you get really good at it, you still can't get much past 250 per hour, and that the priming pez dispenser takes some practice to get used to or it'll drop live primers on the floor. Compared to the Lee Pro -- those are pretty easy issues to handle.

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Editted to add: Any of you that have Pro 1000s you hate, I'm going to start a Lee Pro shelter to find good uses for abandoned, unwanted and untamed Lee Pros. :D ...just noticed there is NOOOOO issue number 5. (mp reference... must be getting sleepy.)
 
Thanks for a very good overview of the Pro 1000's "issues," cidirkona. They fit quite well with my recollections of using it. (I removed it--limited bench space--and put my Load-Master on about three years ago.) I had just put my reloading gear back into operation then, and I was expecting to need more "capacity" in my monthly production.

I tweaked it up--especially with new nylon fail-safe parts, a complete cleaning, etc. I use WSPs--and my primer solution had always been to keep the primer chute 'lubed' with dry graphite and the rest of the primer insertion subsystem clean. I can accept the odd (less than 1000) tipped or flip primer--but, I found the accompanying powder dump and the related cleaning needed to get the anvil, etc., working smoothly again to be too much of a PITA.

I absolutely concur that it can be a delightful machine to run, once it's set up. One time, in my semiauto competition days, I did try a speed run. With spare primer trays loaded, spare case feeder tubes loaded, and other components organized, I pumped out over 550 rounds in one hour. I was younger then--about 50--but I was exhausted at the end of that hour.

Most of my reloading now is load development, in which I initial build ten to twenty rounds at a time before the recipe is varied. The Lee Turret, with a Lee measure fit with an adjustable charge bar, is wonderful for that kind of work. I can run 150-180 rph, even with these changes--and that's just fine. It's much less mentally demanding.

Jim H.
 
Let me first say I am not arguing, just disagreeing, but I am also a lot more comfortable with tinkering with stuff to make it work. My first Pro-1000 I bought as a basket case on eBay, so I had to figure out how to build it, how to fix it, and how to make it run.

=cdirkona]
1) Primers flip on the ram. 2) Primers get seated half way.
3) Primers get stuck between the shell plate and carrier.

I found that most all of the primer feed problems are a result of improper timing of the shellplate. The case needs to arrive and trip the case sensor to drop the primer punch and allow a primer to feed at the right time. Too soon, and the shellplate is still turning and it will wipe the primer off the ram and you get sideway primers. Too late (or let the primer chute get low and the primers don't drop) and you get upside down and crushed primers. I would say that I get maybe 1 misfed primer out of every 500 as long as I keep the flip tray full.

4) Plastic ratchet. If you stop half way through the lever movement, you must continue in that same direction. The ratchet, and drive gear are both nylon and strip very easily if you change directions. Getting to them is not easy either. A couple of screws, when the shellplate carrier is removed. Not a big deal, and the parts are cheap.

6) Plastic ratchet + case removal 'windows.' If you want to pull a case ...
There is a slot for the primer station as well, it's just right over the primer chute. If you disengage the ratchet by slightly lowering the handle, you can turn the shellplate any way you want. I do this all the time feeding primed cases.

7) Case feeder tubes. Thin cheap plastic. If you bend one and get a kink, it won't feed cases right. These are right in front of your face too, and not out of the way in the back similar to other presses. How do you bend one? I've never bent one yet- I'm still on my original four tubes. I have spares, but I think this is improper storage or rough handling.

8) Collator. Needs a hack to drop cases in the right way, doesn't feed itself. Hunh? Sure, in 9mm I have a few flipped cases, but it's not a big deal. Rimmed stuff almost never feeds upside down. Mine drops great.

9) Z bar. The case feeder lever has some springloaded 'give' to it in case something gets jammed, but once it pops out, it tends to keep popping out. Lee shows you how to bend it back to make it stay better after this happens, but it's not perfect. Nope, not perfect, but if you adjust the angle of the "Z"-bar and the link it works better. And if you have a feed jam it doesn't beak something.

10) Small breakable parts. The case holder springs, ejector wire, case sensor, primer ram spring sensor, powder bar return spring, powder hopper screws, drive ratchet, drive gear, etc etc are all small easily lost or breakable parts. NEVER lost or broken any of these parts. Not one.

11) Table = primer catch. You have to drill an extra hole in the table somewhere in the frame for spent primers to get caught and fall through. Yeah, this is a silly bug that is annoying. And I drilled a hole under the press and glued a pill bottle there to catch the primers.

12) Shellplate conversions Well I personally keep a pre-assembled and timed shellplate carrier for the calibers I reload so I don't mess with changing the plate. Makes a caliber change take like 1 minute or so.


My two pet peeves with the press (that are not mentioned above):

1. The finished round chute tends to have rounds not slide down and they sit there. I am in the habit of flicking the buildup of finished rounds down the chute every so often with my left hand after seating the bullet in the case. I polish the chute and apply a little oil to help it.

2. The shell feeder top rail on the carrier needs to be smooth but not so smooth that the cases slip and fall over. If you lube the case feed slider it works better. But if you lube the top rail, it will make the cases tend to fall over (with tall cases like .357 Mag or .223).
 
Evan Price, I completely agree. There are definitely things you can do to mitigate those issues -- but not stuff I would encourage a first-time reloading to get frustrated with on a first time out. I still love my Pro and hope to get another one for loading 223 eventually.

I actually like that the last round doesn't always fall off the chute -- I can grab it before it falls into the bucket and feel the primer to make sure it's seated all the way.
 
After reading the above posts, I am so glad I went with a Dillon 550B for my first reloader. Sure, it may have a slight issue from time to time but nothing like the aforementioned menagerie of potential headaches. I can get 450 an hour easy out of it without much effort and that includes pulling a case and weighing the powder charge for accuracy every 50 or so rounds.

I own a few Lee items such as a zip trim and the Disc powder measure for .45. They work, but just have an air of cheapness about them. I think it is because of all of the plastic Lee uses.
 
I would say that most of the above problems are caused by a lack of regular cleaning. The press in not an AK47, it is not designed to work while being dirty. Give it a clean up after 1000 rounds, and all problems that are related to primer and to plastic parts will be gone. I never tried to pull the handle too aggressive, and never experienced any severe priming problems.

I never heard of anyone who unintentionally broke case feeder tubes. Did you?

Case collator for other presses costs about double of the whole Pro1000 press. The one from Lee works fine for me. Having 100% cases on the right direction for 9mm and smaller calibers requires a simple mod from a plastic milk bottle - it is well described on a video at loadmastervideos.com.

Summarizing, I have not seen any real problem with the press in the above list.
 
I started on a LEE Pro 1000

years ago. Fiddled with it for a year or so before I dumped it for a dillon 550 B. The press will load good cartridges if you take your time and are willing to fiddle with the press every 50 rounds or so.

I absolutely disagree that a new reloader must start on a single stage. While I have a single stage and use it all the time for various things, any reloading session the needs more that 50 rounds goes on the progessive. It is just as easy to learn on a progressive loading one at a time as it is using a single stage. The critical requirement either way is that you spend the time to READ and UNDERSTAND the process and reasoning behind each step.

JMO
 
Rfwobbly
Could you, please, describe what problems did you have with the Pro-1000?

I think cidirkona hit the high points. It was mostly related to primer feeding and primer size swapping. It's pretty well covered. I understand Lee has done much better on their newer models, but IMHO the Pro-1000 is fatally flawed.


And let me say that I design precise machines for a living. When I retire to the reloading room it's to get away and relax. The last thing I want to do is to fiddle with some quirky machine so I can reload ammo. A machine that was running right when I left it 24 hours before!

It's not that I couldn't fix it, it's that I paid good money for a progressive press and I expect the manufacturer to deliver on their promise. Some people may derive pleasure from tinkering with their press. More power to them. I'm genuinely happy for them. Personally, I derive pleasure from reloading and shooting. Simply put: I got into "reloading" to reload, not to tinker.

I guess some of you will say that I've reached that age where I can afford things that work like they're supposed to, and that may be so. But there's one thing I still can't understand: By the time you reload your 10,000th round your reloading equipment is totally paid for.... no matter what brand your bought. So why even bother with a frustrating reloading press?? Life is just too short, brother.

All the best.
 
but IMHO the Pro-1000 is fatally flawed.
Again, generic moan instead of pointing to any issues. Do you clean your gun after firing 1000 rounds? You bought the gun to enjoy shooting, not to work cleaning it, right? Why bother cleaning? The first and the 10,000th round should fire the same way without any cleaning if it is really good gun.
By the time you reload your 10,000th round your reloading equipment is totally paid for.... no matter what brand your bought.
While this may be a good thinking to bump up the economy, I prefer to mind my own wallet. $160 and $1000+ for the same functionality is enough for me to incline into the Lee direction. I could get something useful for the difference.
 
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