noticed an interesting contradiction in posts recently.

Have you ever "unloaded" a problematic gun?

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Oh, certainly I have! Would I do it again? Probably.
And I've had problematic guns unloaded on me also! (Not many, but it's happened.)
To me, it's just the nature of the game. Because sometimes one person's problem is another person's prize.

The bottom line is, as always: Caveat emptor--let the buyer beware

Selling or trading a lemon without disclosure is unethical.

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So is being a Democrat, but many people choose that road.

I have never sold a POS gun without full disclosure. I have taken a sledge hammer to one Rossi, and buried it at sea...okay, actually a large lake (over 20 years ago).

Every Kel-Tec I ever bought (a total of four) was sold with full disclosure, at a significant loss. I learned my lesson (after four) and they will never see another dime from me.

One Charles Daly 1911, again with full disclosure and at a loss, to a guy who said his father in law was a gunsmith.

One problematic Para C-6, sold it back to the guy I bought it from, with full disclosure.

One very old Colt 1911 (not A1), with full disclosure, again, 20+ years ago.

My conscience is clear, and I sleep well.

"I have been on the receiving end of buying a pile of crap. It sucks and it happens."
Don't woory. You can alwaays buy a Ford.

"Even when you're honest, you still get screwed"
I usually get screwed when I am honest

I never had a problem gun.

Whatever I sold was to get something that I fancied better.

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That's about it for me too. Well I sold a few when I needed to raise some cash in the past. May have to in the future for all I know, but I've never had to worry about it because I've never had a bad one.

OH that explains why I got such a good deal on my Glock.

I've only had a few problem guns. Worst problem gun I ever had was a baby eagle. This gun jammed every other bullet, and the most dangerous of all. when you used the hammer drop, it fired the round.

I took it back to where i got it. That's the best thing to do with disfunctional firearms.

I once got a gun off my grandad that had a habbit of trouble tapping. pow-pow! It was a lot of fun. One of the rare cases a defect turned out to be pretty cool.

As long as you price the gun accordingly it should not be a good deal. I have sold guns that had small issues, but I lowered the price and pointed them out.

Likewise I have purchased guns that had issues and I was not told about them.

I guess, unless it is new... buyer beware. And if you are selling, just apply the golden rule.

I sold a reblued Colt Woodsman once without telling the buyer is was a reblue. I figured they should be able to tell the difference. It was priced as a reblue however. It was a bargain assuming it functioned okay. I had not shot it.

Sold another Colt once that jammed a lot. I knew the problem was probably a mag adjustment, but I didn't want to fool with it. The gun was probably not a lemon.

One question commonly asked at shows is "Have you shot it?" I reply honestly. Probably 2/3 of the guns I have sold over the years I have not shot. I do expect the buyer to have some knowledge if they are buying a used gun.

I remember that thread, I posted about the first gun I ever bought, a re-welded M1 carbine that eventually ka-boomed on me. That one saved me from the ethical dilemma by breaking in half. I currently own a K-31 that has a refinished stock which was not disclosed to me when I bought it. Definitely should have known better on an internet sale, I might have caught it in person, but maybe not. Whoever did it probably only made about $75 extra, doesn't even seem worth their time to me.

We all know its un-ethical to do this, but lots of people do it anyway. Few seem to understand that the little bit more money they get for lack of disclosure is not worth sacrificing their self-respect. I think most people in this world just go along following others and doing as they see done, grubbing after more money so they can buy more stuff. Add to that the pride thing of not wanting to admit being cheated and not wanting to sell a gun for less than they paid. Just human nature unfortunately, aggravated I think by poor up-bringing.

I was sold a Jeminez Ja-Nine.... as my second gun... OMG it was a POS....
I was told there a low price gun, and dependable... after about 100 rounds and 40 jamming when at the range that day I went back to the guy and Vented...
and He offered me about 1/2 back... I LOL at him and now I let everyone know were I work how he did me.. and he came to me and said he was sorry.. I said Pay me what U owe me.. (to buy the gun back) *he was a shop owner* he said right now he cant... I said not a problem... Ill keep letting everyone I see how you did me wrong...

Were I work I see about 5000 people on avg per week... So I keep getting the word OUT!
Now I own a Ruger Security 6 357mag SS and <3 it...

p.s. Selling a Issue gun and not saying it is to me... wrong!!!!..
be a real Human because that buyer may try and save his Family with that Firearm..

I've "unloaded" only one problem gun in my lifetime and the buyer was fully aware of the problems it had. I even insisted that he shoot a magazine full of ammo through it before he paid for it. The problem was a bolt that cycled very stiffly but he got the rifle for a great price and thought he could fix it.

@ MinnMooney

see thats what I mean I wish I had a Shop sell me my first semi pistol like U did ur sale... because thats shows U care...

*cheers* for Honest People !!!!

Yea, I went shooting with a buddy and his Taurus snub nose 38 broke on him. It locked up then when he got it open he messed with it and got it working again then said,"I'll just take it to a gun show and sell it". I "tore him a new one.." What if you sell it to someone and they give it to their wife or daughter and when the BG shows up it goes....click? That's just wrong on so many levels. I won't be buying anything from him that's for sure.........gotta find a new shooting buddy.

Personally, I've been honest when I sell problem guns.

Ethically, not telling the person you're selling to that the gun has issues is wrong.

To address the original poster, on a board with tens of thousands of posters, you are going to see contradictory opinions. Just because this is one site, doesn't mean everyone here walks in lockstep, as you've seen in this very thread!

I traded a "Wyoming Arms Parker" 9mm to a dealer. Added some cash & ended up with a Ruger P89. He knew about the issues. Google "Wyoming Arms" for background, they were known POS's.

Sold a Llama Compact .45 "Minimax" to a dealer. Accuracy was terrible, and reliability was a bit iffy. Again, he knew about the issues. I took a whuppin' on it.

Traded a Springfield Armory Micro .45 to a guy for a full-size Springfield 1911. I had some problems with the gun previously but spent a lot of time, heartache, and a certain amount of cash working them out. I was sick of the gun, lost faith in short barrel 1911's and the other fellow was happy to take it off my hands.

The only issue Glock owners expirence is addiction...

I got a different problem. I sold a gun to an aquaintance that was perfect. He couldn't get through a magazine without a jam. I took it back and shot two USPSA matches with it and about 1200 practice rounds with no problems.

One of us is jinxed. He still thinks I tried to stick it to him.

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I had that problem, and it turned out the ammo was the issue. With my ammo gun ran fine. With his couldn't make 3 rounds in a row go bang without a fte. After we traced the issue he changed ammo, and was happy.

"Like no one ever unloaded a car they were sick of fixing."

Or a wife or girlfriend.

John

^^^ Funny post!

I know what I said earlier, but the only "problem" guns I've unloaded is in trades.
I have only sold one gun FTF and it was to a relative, and it certainly wasn't a problem gun.
I will not sell a known clunker to an individual. I leave that for the dealers to do.

I will buy problem guns....I can most often fix the problem...

What is this "selling of guns" that you speak of? I can't quite comprehend the concept.

I broke a Glock.
Not on purpose.

Ive had pretty good luck in my past with so called lemon 1911s.

Buy them and "fix" them and they work fine.

Some people's kids....

I've never sold a gun....my policy I guess.

However, I did buy a pocket pistol from my brother-in-law's uncle. He was the second owner and claimed the first owner only had one box of ammo through it. I honestly can't recall if he said he had shot it. So I go to the range and BANG, BANG, BANG, CLICK! I was so pissed because the gun was locked up. My brother-in-law felt bad but I told him I would disassemble and try to find out the problem. My own father called me a sucker.

After lurking for a answer on the gun boards and calling the manufacture, there was a recall fix from 1984 I believe. They sent the part and the gun has been fantastic. I assume I got such a great price because he knew of the problem but I STOLE it for the price I paid.

Buyer beware and seller should be truthfull