Whats the best lie you had a gun seller tell you

Webbj0219 said:

Ok so a .22 LR will punch through body armor but not out the other side of human tissue? At least it went through both layers of body armor and didnt bounce around inside.

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I overheard the co-owner of the new shop in town trying to sell a Taurus pt22 / beretta bobcat over the keltec and taurus single stack 9mm pocket guns. Said that "9mm would punch straight through and wouldnt cause much trauma outside the wound track, but a 22lr, heck that will turn every internal organ they have into swiss cheese after its through bouncing off thier ribcage".

She was having this conversation with a man that recommended leaving the first two chambers on a revolver empty so that an intruder would know he ment business when he dropped the hammer twice before an actual round was fired. Monday before last was truly a day in Bizarro world.

That is surprising, I never would have guessed...still think I will stick to good 'ole 5.56 for the unlikely need to make holes in armor (soft or hard).

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As would I. I would never rely upon .22LR for that, but just interesting that it worked.

Ok so a .22 LR will punch through body armor but not out the other side of human tissue? At least it went through both layers of body armor and didnt bounce around inside.

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We had no human medium inside of the vest, like ballistics gel or anything similar, it was merely the vest hung on nails in the backstop. So, I really couldn't say what it would do with a human actually inside the vest. On the other hand, the vest we shot with a stump inside of it stopped the .22LR, but not the rifle rounds. .45ACP and 9mm left wicked dents in the stump though.

"Never been fired"

That 1911 fan of a gun seller also told me he wouldnt recomend me getting the S&W 442. Said that I wouldnt enjoy it, that it wasnt acurate. That it was really loud and I would definetely need hearing protection when I shot it. And that it kicked alot. as he steered me toward some 1911's. I told him that I was looking for a conceal carry piece and I read a good reveiw on the S&W chiefs special. He said that they make the 1911 frame in all shapes and sizes. But he highly recomended the 1911 frame. Anyway I bought the 442 snubby against his better judgement and I love it. Although I dont like target shooting with it very much.

Im not saying that that gun store clerk didnt know what he was talking about. He did recomend a really nice gun when I told him that I was looking to purchase my first, a few months earlier. He asked me what I wanted in a gun and I said accuracy, but on the cheap. So he sold me a Ruger mk III 22/45. And that gun was awesome. He told me to start with a .22 till I get the hang of shooting. And that he was a competition shooter and that he still used his ruger mk I to warm up before competing.

This was back in Reno. I think at Sierra firearms. They guy is really great, but maybe a lil biased towards the 1911. Who knows, maybe he is right. Some day I think i just have to try it out. maybe one of my buddies.

I havent shot the gun , is the cliche i hear all the time.

"this mossberg 500(somethingorothermodel) is made so the action is louder to scare off BGs

Walked in a pawn shop of mostly guitars yesterday and saw a CZ52 in the glass counter. I asked what the story was on it.

"oh its brand new"

The most recent POS place i went to was a pawn shop. Now I'll be honest and say I shouldn't expect any great deals at a pawn shop. I was looking for either a 1911 or 357 to add to my roster of guns. I saw a rossi in the glass case and ask how much would be the best they could do on it. The woman had no clue and went in back to ask the owner. The owner comes back out with the gun... here's when it all starts.

The amount I have on the gun is $429. I'll do 370 plus back ground which is $10. I politely asked how about 350 including the background. oh did he blow up. He started to try and lecture me on how I should go elsewhere and look at their prices (which i was planning already), everyone else is crooks... and that I should have the luck to find a better deal.

now this was a snubbed nose 357 rossi blued. obviously been shot to HE** with cheap ammo. Dirt was coming off from the gun. LOL Didn't even have a case. Went to my usual gun store and bought a 1911, bulk pack of the silicon socks, a cheap red dot, 3 boxes of 45 ammo, 6 magazines, 30 human sized silhouettes, a holster.... only dropped 5 c-notes.

BTW one week later saw a 4-5'' barrel rossi brand new at a sporting goods place with adjustable rear site for 320... which around here means 360 including tax and background.

I had a lady at a gun store tell me, when i asked to see an AK 47, that these were the last AKs they were ever going to get because they were no longer able to get any more from over seas and all the warehouses had dried up. I came back in about six months later and she had a whole new slew of AKs on the wall. I asked her how she was able to get those and reminded her of what she told me before. She went on to explain how she was not sure but she was not questioning it at this point but it still could be the last shipment that they would ever get. It is people like this that really give gun owners a bad name.

I had a lady at a gun store tell me, when i asked to see an AK 47, that these were the last AKs they were ever going to get because they were no longer able to get any more from over seas and all the warehouses had dried up. I came back in about six months later and she had a whole new slew of AKs on the wall. I asked her how she was able to get those and reminded her of what she told me before. She went on to explain how she was not sure but she was not questioning it at this point but it still could be the last shipment that they would ever get. It is people like this that really give gun owners a bad name.

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Heard the exact same thing at a local mom-and-pop gun store. Went down the road to a chain, guy behind the counter said they were getting a new truckload in every week. :banghead:

Still hearing this one:

Obama is making gun manufacturers put a chemical in primers that will make them go dead after a few years.

essayons21 said:

Still hearing this one:

Obama is making gun manufacturers put a chemical in primers that will make them go dead after a few years.

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Yep I have heard that one before as well. Quite a few times. Last I heard it, it was six months.

I went to my local dealer this weekend to pick up a Sig P239 SAS.
The guy hands me the Sig to look over and doesn't even say a word when he sees me starring and rubbing at all the rust on the slide.
I look at him in the eyes for a second, still no words have been spoken and he says
"oh, thats just surface stains from the oil we use to clean the guns. You can wipe it off when you get home with a Brillo pad."
I just looked at him and said, "where in the wiping off process does the Brillo Pad come in?"
A couple of the guys in the store just smiled and looked away.

Originally Posted by essayons21
Still hearing this one:

Obama is making gun manufacturers put a chemical in primers that will make them go dead after a few years

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LMAO never heard that one before.

I sell everything at 10% over my cost.

Obama is making gun manufacturers put a chemical in primers that will make them go dead after a few years.

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Ha. I remember hearing something like that back in 1983 or so when music CDs were first coming out - that CDs had something in them that would make them lose the music after a few years, so you'd have to go back and buy all your albums again.

Back to worst lies - "This (cheap knockoff of an Eotech) is just the same as an Eotech, at a third of the price. It's even better, because the sight comes in two colors." Note that as he says this, a button falls of the knockoff...

related

"If you want a scope like an Eotech, you really shouldn't worry about MOA. They're just for when the bad guy is right in front of you"

We had no human medium inside of the vest, like ballistics gel or anything similar, it was merely the vest hung on nails in the backstop. So, I really couldn't say what it would do with a human actually inside the vest. On the other hand, the vest we shot with a stump inside of it stopped the .22LR, but not the rifle rounds. .45ACP and 9mm left wicked dents in the stump though.

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vests are designed to work when pressed tightly against a surface, like person's body, or ballistics gel or clay. If it's just hanging against a backstop the results won't be the same as when a person is wearing it.

Got to love sales guys. There are some doozies. This is why I rarely rely on them for info. The problem is a matter of motivation. They are motivated to sell you something not the make your life better or meet your goals.

It is a rare saleman who focuses long term and looks to meet your goals first to make the sale.

SaMx, even when the vest was tightly wrapped around a tree stump, it failed to stop the .22LR from penetrating the vest. Also, if what you are saying is true, Kevlar blankets and panels wouldn't be used, which they are.

B&S guns Dallas TX. 2000.00 for every ar in the store,Oly to anything else, 800 to 1200 for any ak, ammo 2.5 times any other store. This was during the election. I didn't talk to an employee I had been lied to enough.
GOOD STORES:
Ammo Depot, Caddo Mills TX-Kept there prices normal to moderate during that mess
Village Gun and Pawn, Sulphur Springs TX-Had ammo during the whole mess at NORMAL prices, even .380, guns were right on price too.

I comp shop ALOT. I am a lookylou, window shopper, whatever else you wanna call it. sometimes I even buy something.

I was at an indoor range that I used to use because it was close to my work. I no longer use this range because of customer service that is so bad that they must have classes for their employees on how to be so difficult and obnoxous (but that is another story).

Anyway, I notice in their selection of rifles a nice looking custom Rem 700 with an Accuracy International AICS stock on it. I ask to see it and it is a good looking rig, but with a price of $5500. That's roughly full retail for a complete AI rifle. I comment that it is a nice rifle but for that price I would rather get the AI. The salesman then tells me in tone that says I should be in awe that I am holding a "genuine" Accuracy International rifle. I gently correct him by pointing out that it is a Rem 700 receiver and a custom barrel, not an AI receiver or barrel. He then looks at me like I am an idiot and says, "Accuracy International uses Remington receivers, that's what makes their rifles so good, everyone knows that." I tell him he is mistaken, and that AI does make their own receivers. He starts to get visibly upset and asks me where I ever got an idea like that. I tell him, "I personally knew Malcolm Cooper (the president of Accuracy International). I worked for the U.S. importer for several years. I have handled dozens of AI rifles and have shot a couple thousand rounds through AI rifles and this is the first I have ever heard of them using Remington actions.

The guy looks at me with a straight face and says, "yeah, they tried making their own actions for awhile but that they never got them to work right so they just buy Remingtons and stamp their name on them." :banghead:

I handed the rifle back and walked out shaking my head.

SaMx, even when the vest was tightly wrapped around a tree stump, it failed to stop the .22LR from penetrating the vest. Also, if what you are saying is true, Kevlar blankets and panels wouldn't be used, which they are.

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SaMx is right, in principle. A kevlar vest is basically strands of material with extremely high tensile strength woven very tightly together. A small, high velocity projectile is the toughest to stop, as it has to break less of these strands, and can squeeze between the weave of others. A solid backing aids the strands by keeping the weave properly aligned. You will find that it is more difficult to penetrate a vest with a backing than without.

Kevlar blankets are mainly used to catch frag, usually large, low velocity projectiles. Kevlar panels are reinforced with fiberglass and other composites, which gives them a backing of their own.

SaMx is right, in principle. A kevlar vest is basically strands of material with extremely high tensile strength woven very tightly together. A small, high velocity projectile is the toughest to stop, as it has to break less of these strands, and can squeeze between the weave of others. A solid backing aids the strands by keeping the weave properly aligned. You will find that it is more difficult to penetrate a vest with a backing than without.

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Right, it needs a backing, which is inside the vest. My body is not the backing...if you read what he originally posted;

vests are designed to work when pressed tightly against a surface, like person's body, or ballistics gel or clay. If it's just hanging against a backstop the results won't be the same as when a person is wearing it.

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He is stating that the vest needs to be wrapped tightly around a body, which would, in fact, loosen the threads (marginally, but still). Backing, I agree with, needing to be wrapped around something tightly, I don't.

I was in a shop this Saturday, and while I was waiting I heard, "These prices are kind of high," followed by, "Yep, the prices on everything keep going up and you'd better move fast before they go higher."

"Small pistol primers are nowhere to be found and that'll be the case for a while."









Oops sorry are we talking about lies?