Israel announces the Galil "Ace"

I'll take the original one please.

Aren't they using the TAR-21's now? Why would they field this or did they have a lot of extra Galil stuff lying around?

**I forgot that civilians are allowed to own auto's. I guess not all civie's can afford TAR's so this might be a more cost effective market item?

That's AWFUL!!! What's the point?

1. That looks like a regular AK magazine in there? Or just coincidence? Does that feed from AK magazines?

2. Does IMI have any manufacturing facilities in the USA? Are they going to build semi-auto-only 16" versions of these for US civillian sales? Or the closest anyone will ever get to it is watching that doofus on Futureweapons? If it's just a foreign gun USA will never own who gives a crap about it.

3. Weird stock why didn't they make a stock that folds and collapses? That'd be cool if it did both.

Yeah I know, but the floorplate and pattern of ridges look very, very similar. Pretty much verbatim. Is what I meant. Not the general shape.

What does "Illustration only" mean to you?

Means "photoshopped" to me.

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For the love of god that's patently a standard AK-style magazine, right down to strengthening bumps on the floor plate. If you want to split hairs over the connotation of the word "illustration", than don't get so worked up over the supposed use of an "AR"style telestock. After all, it's just an illustration. Then again, if you want to pick nits, go find yourself a chimpanzee.

That's AWFUL!!! What's the point?

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Lighter and quicker than the original. I love it and want one. I'd take one of these over an AR any day.

Beats the converted Galil's that are hard to find and expensive. It really makes sense, if you think about it. Israel is surrounded by angry states that want to "wipe them off the map" and field AK's, primarily. With the amount of active Special Operations units that Israel fields, why not have a weapon they are all familiar with (Galil) that uses a commonly found round and magazine (7.62x39 and AK)? The U.S. Special Operations types wanted the same thing, and Knights Armament was producing it, called the SR-47 I believe. Functioned just like the AR, but used AK mags and ammo.

It (Galil ACE) also comes in 5.56x45mm AND 7.62x51mm.

http://www.israel-weapon.com/default.asp?catid={3B7B48F5-CA99-4282-9D7F-13C8CCA5A4DA}

What does "Illustration only" mean to you?

Means "photoshopped" to me.

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I dunno. Seems kinda weird that they'd spend all that time shopping the rest of the gun and then just putting an AK mag on there at the end cause they got lazy. Stranger things have happened though. But it seems that it would be a good idea to make a 7.62x39 gun use the most common 7.62x39 mags in the world. I'm thinking it takes AK mags for real. But who knows.

This just makes my head hurt.

1) Mag well -- Why wouldn't an AK magazine fit? They didn't bother to re-dimension the mag well when they copied the AK in the first place. Galil mags fit into an AKM mag well. A 7.62x39 Galil wouldn't be a whole lot more complicated than rebarrelling.

2) What's it for? Export market would be my guess for the beginning and end of the story. IWI isn't even making Galils for the IDF any more if I recall correctly, since all they shoved the Galil out of the way to field M16s and M4s years ago and are replacing those with Galils.

3) Israeli SOF units using this thing -- why? They carry M4s and (I suppose) some Tavors these days. When they use AKs it's for visual deception purposes, not commonality of ammo, and that thing most definitely doesn't look like Johnny Jihad's third hand AK (or M16).

The only places I see this going popular are countries that use the AK where elite units want something cooler, and the PMC market.

1. Israeli civilians are not allowed to own automatic weapons. Only a very few soldiers keep their service weapons at home after their regular service is completed.

2. As stated above, Israeli SOF units haven't used Galils for years. I doubt there is any Israeli SOF operator left that was originally issued a Galil.

I'll take one! Oh wait...laws...*grumbles*

I like it. I'll take one if a civilian model is ever made and imported.

I may have this wrong but:

Galil = Israeli AK.
Galil in 7.62x39 that takes a standard AK-47 magazine = a 2010 Israeli $1,000+ AK rip off.

Right?

I think it would be great without all the extra crap all over it.

Love the charging handle. It allows for the inner receiver to be completely sealed off from the exterior.

That whole thing looks kinda fishy to me... A little too generic in the descriptions and stuff... And the magazine angle is way too steep. Either you wouldn't be able to rock it in or its feeding bullets up at a 45 degree angle...

3) Israeli SOF units using this thing -- why? They carry M4s and (I suppose) some Tavors these days. When they use AKs it's for visual deception purposes, not commonality of ammo, and that thing most definitely doesn't look like Johnny Jihad's third hand AK (or M16).

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Not being Israeli myself, I couldn't answer with any authority. However, I do know that SOCOM was looking for something quite similar, and can only postulate that the Israeli's have a similar reason.

Galil = Israeli AK.

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Only if you consider the Sig 550 to be a Swiss AK. The Galil could be called a second cousin of the AK, as it was based on the South African R4, not the AK.

That whole thing looks kinda fishy to me... A little too generic in the descriptions and stuff... And the magazine angle is way too steep. Either you wouldn't be able to rock it in or its feeding bullets up at a 45 degree angle...

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The weapon is shown on the Israeli Weapon Industries site, Israeli-weapon.com. The description seemed more indepth than that of some descriptions on, say, Knights Armament's site. Enough to give you the basic idea, contact for more info. I don't have my slide rule, calipers and compass right here, but the angle of the magazine looks identical to that of the AK-47. Perhaps the angle of the rifle in the picture makes it look too steep?

Lighter and quicker than the original. I love it and want one. I'd take one of these over an AR any day.

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+ a million.

Actually, it's based on the Valmet, with early specimens being built on Finnish receivers.

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Ohhhh...gotcha, I thought it was based upon the R4, but upon further investigation, I find that the R4 is based on the Galil...whoops. I stand (sit) corrected then, thank you! That still makes it a Second Cousin, at best though.

I would really drool over it with a micro red dot, standard folder, and ability to take AK mags.