3" vs 3.5" chamber, is it worth it?

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3 1/2" chambered guns are bigger, longer, and require more slide travel distance to operate them with 2 3/4" or 3" shells.
I had heard the above statement before and it is not true on the 870 Super-Mag when comparing it to the 870 Express. I laid one of each side by side and operated and measured the reciever length and distances of travel, the measurements were the same. Only the ejection port on the super-mag is longer. That however is not true on the BPS. The measurements were considerably longer on the 3.5" gun vs. the 3 inch gun. I've never messed with the Mossbergs.
 
I did not think that needed to be explained to any sportsman but since you asked. It will not give reliable kills on deer. The term buckshot does not mean it is adequate for deer. It is simply a term given given to that size shot.
 
As I only hunt upland game, on private land, with lead shot, I've never seen the need for a 3" gun. Let alone 3 1/2". If I was forced to hunt on State or Federal land or was going to get into waterfowling, I might have to reconsider.

FWIW
 
If shooting buckshot at deer I doubt you want a 20" barrel. If shooting slugs like you stated you probably want a rifled slug barrel which you shouldn't shoot buckshot through. I really like the 30" barrels for buckshot for deer but haven't used any slugs so can't comment on them.
 
Just to clarify, the 835 ultimag is indeed overbored and cannot shoot slugs. For deer you really want to shoot 000 or 00 buckshot, and at a distance in which you can reliably put 3-4 pellets in a 9" circle (the lungs of a buck) about 30 yards for most guns. I use #4 buck for coyotes, or varmints only.
 
Ah, the use for deer will be in thick brush, so even a 50 yard shot would be uncommon, with the norm around where I hunt being 25 yards in the wooded areas.

I sure ain't going to tote a long 30" barrel around, heck a 26" bolt gun is too much for where I hunt.

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P.B.Walsh
 
I did not think that needed to be explained to any sportsman but since you asked. It will not give reliable kills on deer. The term buckshot does not mean it is adequate for deer. It is simply a term given given to that size shot.
Oh, ok. I should have told all the deer I've killed with 'em that. lol

J.B.
 
Most of the guys I hunt with hunt with 28-30" barrels and 45 to 50 yards is about the maximum you can shoot deer with buckshot at this range and expect to kill the deer. A 20" barrel is probably going to let it spread out a lot faster. Now slugs may be a different story but if you plan to shoot a lot of slugs you probably really would want to get a slug barrel.
 
Well, it depends on if I get to where I do infact shoot alot of slugs. I doubt that'll happen though considering most of my time is devoted to rifles.

Somethibg to think about though!
 
If you doubt you will shoot that many slugs a shotgun with a 30" barrel or 28" would probably be optimal then just get a second barrel that's 20" to use for home defense. That's what I'd do. That way you could do either or.
 
PB, I suspect hometheaterman is talking about getting two barrels. One for hunting and one for HD. Simply put, those two situations generally have different requirements.
 
None of the 3.5" guns come with a 20" barrel so you are looking to have to cut one to get that length. The 870 supermag used to come with a 23" barrel that was threaded for choke tubes. I think they still make it. That is probably as close as you are going to get unless you cut a barrel and have it threaded for tubes.

A 20" barrel will shoot buckshot just fine. As long as it has at least some choke to it. You will just have to experinment to see what works best at the range you want to shoot. Just cutting the barrel off and going with a cylinder choke will be great for home defense ranges, but will not be satisfactory for hunting in my opinion.

Just my opinion, but I would forget the 3.5" guns and find a good 3" gun and call it good. The 3.5" guns as a rule have had more issues and other than shooting geese at long range have no useful purpose.

Remington offers a 20" barrel with rifle sights and an IC choke for the 870 that is probably what you want. It only comes in a 3" chamber, but is all you really need anyway. They used to offer that barrel threaded for tubes. My brother has one for his 870. It makes for a very versatile gun. IC tubes for HD, extra full for turkey hunting and modified for everything else in a pinch.

Another option is one of the 21" 870 turkey guns. They come with a turkey tube, but other tubes can be purchased at a good price.

I'm not as familiar with the Mossbergs and others, but I believe the shortest barrels they offer threaded for tubes is 24". If you plan to hunt with the gun using buckshot, make sure you find a way to get some choke in the barrel.
 
PB;
May I recommend you find a basic descriptive site that explains shotguns? Or a basic book like the NRA's The Basics of Shotgun Shooting (really thin paperback w/lots of big pictures) -- this is used in the NRA Basic class which I'd recommend.

SHotguns are a different animal. Maybe the exact opposit of a rifle in many respects, but more versatile. I think people here presumed you were more familiar w/them. Barrel length has little to do with things in most respects. Cartridge selection including shot size and choke are much more important.

"Choke" is the funnel at the muzzle. Different, standard named, chokes that constrict the inner diameter of the barrel at the muzzle, can often be replaced just by screwing one size out and another in. They taper in the muzzle and focus the shot into certain size patterns. Its kinda like turning the end of a garden hose -- the spray will become wider or narrower, and go further or not, depending on where you set it. A rule of thumb is that the optimal shot pattern is defined as where 70-75% of the pellets are within a 30" circle and different chokes produce that at different distances (slightly affected by the size of the shot and the pecularities of the shells used). For example, an Improved Modified (which is less common than some others) will give you that 30" pattern with # 7 1/2 shot at approximately 35 yards.

My personal opinion is that as shot size grows to heavy buckshot, and the choke constricts more and more, optimal range eventually meets the effective range of a shotgun at around 50 yards. The maximum range is somewhat further.

Al
 
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Thanks for the info, I knew thay had something to do with the pattern, but I needed to know more.

Thanks, looks like I need to add one more thing to my requirement!!

Thanks,
P.B.Walsh
 
My Mossberg 835 has a 20" turkey barrel with fiberoptic sights. I swap out the turkey choke for full, and have a handy brush gun for buckshot. BTW I've found that barrel length has little to do with pattern size. Choke, shotcup, shot size, and velocity have far more impact IMHO.
 
If it was me and I was buying mainly for HD, I would just go around and look and try to find something that me and my significant other would be comfortable with for the right price. With HD, I don't think the shell size really matters as you aren't really trying to "reach out" with it. I find comfort trumps looks, shot, and size. If you get into bird hunting, you either are going to get addicted or not. If not, you're not out spending the extra money for something that is dual purpose. If you do, chances are you will go out and buy a dedicated bird gun. Especially if you end up cutting the barrel anyways. That is my opinion and the reason why I now have more than 1 bird gun...:D
 
When I was buying my 870, I was tempted to go with the supermag as well. I ended up going with a 3" Express combo on the advice of a friend who has been shotgunning for well over 50 years. He told me to consider how often I could be using 3 1/2" shells and then consider the fact that whenever I wouldn't be using them, I would have another 1/2" to pump the slide. If your main uses are HD and deer, depending upon whether you use slugs or buckshot, the extra speed for a follow up shot might be important. And I shoot 3" slugs for deer, trust me, there's enough umph there to satisfy your desire for power.
 
I wouldn't be using them, I would have another 1/2" to pump the slide.
You shouldn't have been so eager to listen to bad advice. Pumpstroke length on the Supermag and Magnum express's are the same length I've personally measured them. I chose to own the Supermag so the gun would be all shell capable even though I don't often shoot 3.5's. However the BPS pump stroke length on the 3.5 chambering is longer than on their 3 inch model. I've compared those also. I'm not sure about Mossberg, I've never compared them side by side. The only real advantage I see in a 3.5" loading is the use of large steel shot on Geese. For most folks there is no need.
 
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