Sarsilmaz Hancer branded pistol - good buy?

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Hey guys -- I own a Sarsilmaz Hancer 2000 (very nice gun), and was wondering if any of you had replaced the grip extension on the bottom of the magazine with a metal floor pad to make the magazine fit flush?

Any ideas where I could get a floor pad? I've checked a few places like Brownell's and Numrich, but no one seems to sell magazine components. Also, I called Armalite (this gun is the same as the AR-24k, just with a less fancy finish) and Academy, but no luck there either.
 
I've been tempted to saw the lower part of the plastic baseplate off. It doesn't appear to be structually necessary and mostly likely molded that way only as a finger hook. Now that I've got the Hogue grip, I don't really need the finger hook.

As soon as I get a third magazine, I'll experiment with it. I believe the EAA Witness compact 13rd mag is the closest match to the Hancer mag. We'll see...
 
Let everyone know if you find a magazine that fits. I will do the same as I head to some gun shows around here. Thanks.
 
Some of the advantages of the AR-24 over the CZ 75B are:
1. 1911 firing pin block, which is a lot less likely to break due to dry firing.

Pilot: Not likely to happen on a modern CZ. I use snap caps with every gun I dry fire. Not an issue

Sure is nice to be able to have the added assurance, plus the easy ability to change firing pin and spring.


2. A firing pin safety which releases spring tension when the trigger is pulled instead of increasing tension as does the CZ.

Pilot: What's your point, trigger pull? My 75B abd 75D PCR have stellar out of the box triggers. If they didn't they'd get trigger jobs. Not an issue.

If there is less tension (FP safety releases during trigger pull instead of adding tension) then the potential is better regardless of what you have on your CZ.


3. To me, a more ergonomic grip. The backstrap indents to give a very comfortable hold.

Pilot: As you say "To me". Very subjective. My CZ's are the most confortable, most ergonomic pistols I have owned or used.

One of the common complaints of the CZ 75B is that the trigger is two far out for DA. With the deeper indentation of the AR, there is less of a problem.


4. A rounded trigger guard rather than the squared one on the CZ. This is merely a personal preference.

Pilot: Agreed



5. A more massive extractor. I like the overkill; never had a problem with the one on a CZ, but I like the more massive on the AR better.

Pilot: CZ's extractors are fine, as with any gun if you have an issue install an extra power extracor spring. Not an issue.

I like the more massive extractor; the overkill is appreciated, and should extend the overall life of the extractor.


6. A forged slide and frame. A cast may be adequet, yet I feel the forge offers a little more strength. Apparently CZ does too. Their slide is forged.

Pilot: The PCR and P-01 both torture tested for police and NATO specs have cast frames. The Browning Hi Power MK III switched to a cast frame to handle the higher pressure .40 S&W round. Their frames had previously been forged. Not an issue.

If CZ truely believed the castings, which they use are as strong and durable as the forgings they use for their slides, CZ would use cast slides. It's cheaper, and would only make since to do so.

As far as Browning switching to a cast frame in order to better support the .40, they did not. They switched to a better frame, and they cast it. There is a difference. In other words, the castings did not make it better. It made it cheaper to produce. Again, ask yourself why any company would use a forged slide and a cast frame. If the cast frame is adequate, then great; I prefer the forged frame. If you were to offer both for the same price, I'm willing to bet that most shooters would take the forged frame. Production cost is by far the main reason CZ has a cast frame, adequate or not.

7. The loooooooong trigger pull of the CZ does not exits with the AR-24. This is a big one for me.

Pilot: Most of the CZ's can be carried cocked and locked to have a consistant, single action short trigger pull from the first shot. They are also designed to be carried DA at the half cocked, safety notch which also shortens the trigger pull. Not an issue.


I do like the CZ 75 B, but I feel the AR-24 has a lot more to offer.

Again. Like what?
Again. Check it out.
Ultimately, it is what ever you like. I have both CZ and the AR. The AR, in my opinion is better made, and doesn't exhibit the tool marks found on my 75B.
 
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Let everyone know if you find a magazine that fits. I will do the same as I head to some gun shows around here. Thanks.

I just got the EAA Witness magazines I ordered, and they are a drop-in perfect fit. The Witness "full-size" 16rds mag is identical to the Sarsilmaz KAMA mag. The Witness compact 13rds is identical to the Sarsilmaz Hancer 2000

Since the Sarsilmaz's are as closely related to the Armalite AR-24 as pistol DNAs get, I am pretty sure Armalite's mags will be indentical too.

I've tried CZ-75 magazines with my Sarsilmaz, and while they are very close and can be made to work by slightly widening the magazine catch hole, they are definitely not a direct copy.
 
Good info about the alternate magazine. Thanks a lot!

Volfy -- CDNN has 13-rounder EAA Witness magazines, but only with an extended grip. Where did you get yours?
 
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CDNN has 13-rounder EAA Witness magazines, but only with an extended grip. Where did you get yours?
CDNN is where I got mine. It's not really an "Extended" grip. It is very similar to the stock Hancer 2000 mag plastic baseplate- really just a pinky hook. Except the EAA version is not as thick as the Sarsilmaz. I like the EAA version better. It allows my pinky to get a pretty good hook for better recoil control, but smaller and thinner than the Hancer mag. I will take a pic of the two mags when I get a chance. Have been busy lately...
 
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