What Would You Do?

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I knew these people years back. I disassociated myself from them, for obvious reasons.

I had thought the dispatcher was a shooting friend of mine, but it turns out it was her co-worker - a nice lady herself.

I've been going over in my head what I would have done here. I would have called 911 of course, but what else...? Would I have taken the shot? I have immediate access to two guns that are more than capable - a Camp Carbine .45 that I haven't been able to choke - it wears an electronic dot sight, and an SKS with an AR style aperture rear - the 0-2 is drilled out to a ghost ring while the 3 is small for accurate shooting.

Either can take a head shot on a human at 50 to 100 yards. The Camp Carbine .45 sorta' lobs them though, and it would be shooting high at 25 yards, and low at 100. I do not know the distances involved yet, and won't until the investigation is complete and I can get the measurements from the PD.

So I'm thinking the SKS - but that sucker has shot down trees, and I'd hate to think what it would do in town. I use HP ammo, Wolf Classic - it is made to frag unlike Wolf black box stuff - and does a good job of it - but I'm not convinced the core would stop in a body.

Then there's the .22 rifle. I have no doubt that with the time I spend with that (at least 500 rounds at 100 yards per week, 4.5 to 14x 'scope life sized chipmunk silhouette shooting) that I couldn't put a 40 grain HP through an eyeball standing, rested.

Kids were in the car. Not really concerned with the adults at this point. The children were of paramount importance here. No shotguns with buck.

I dunno - I actually think I would have taken an ocular shot with a precision .22LR in this situation as there wouldn't have been any overpenetration and a hollowpoint should bite in, penetrate into the brain bucket, and scramble things there.

What's your analysis of this shooting? What do you think you would have done?

Josh
 
What would you or I do?

He shot his wife.... then made a call and shot himself..

What in the world do you think you are going to do in that situation?

If you saw the altercation that led up to it, then yes, you might have been able to stop him.

If you saw it after he shot her.... what are your choices? besides calling 911. Go outside where an armed dude just shot someone? so you can cap him? Im guessing that since he has the gun out, has already shot someone, will probably have no compunction about shooting you as well. Seems like a good idea to stay out of it unless he starts going after others. If he isn't threatening you with the gun and you inject yourself into the situation and arbitrarily shoot him..... get a good lawyer.

If you came into it after he shot himself.... well, shooting him again might seem a little silly.
 
That is such a sad story and I am so sorry for the woman , her kids , and that poor babysitter who had to watch.

It IS VERY HARD to "monday quarterback" ANYTHING such as this.

IF and I say IF --- someone had ran out with a firearm it MAY have had a different ending. Would the Murderer have stopped his actions against the woman and turned his attention to you ?? Would a shot fired at him stopped him from murder even if he was not hit ?? There are ENDLESS questions/ansewers to this type of problem.

Either can take a head shot on a human at 50 to 100 yards. The Camp Carbine .45 sorta' lobs them though, and it would be shooting high at 25 yards, and low at 100.

Have you shot the Marlin a lot to see how high at 25 yds. VS. how low at 50/100 yards ?
I would think that 50 yards or under --- the Marlin in .45acp MAY be your ansewer. Not a big chance of overpenetration compared to the SKS and a hit with a .45acp out of a 16" - 20" rifle will pack a punch.

The .22rf rifle ???? No way --- UNLESS it was my only choice , as to it was loaded/ close at hand etc. etc.

A head shot is VERY RISKY even from a stable rest ---- center of mass is MUCH better in 99% of the time.
 
If you saw it after he shot her.... what are your choices? besides calling 911. Go outside where an armed dude just shot someone? so you can cap him? Im guessing that since he has the gun out, has already shot someone, will probably have no compunction about shooting you as well. Seems like a good idea to stay out of it unless he starts going after others.

Sorry - I disagree --- I'm NOT a Rambo or John Wayne but --- my thoughts would be ; he just killed SOMEONE , is STILL armed , and is STILL A DEADLY THREAT to his children , maybe MY Children , and EVERYONE who is near.

Man or beast ---- if they are a " mankiller " I think you have a MORAL responsibility to stop that threat , if you have the meens to do so.
 
Hello,

I keep my long guns loaded and not chambered - I'm in the country. I did so when I lived in the city as well, though. Vincennes IN is not a good place to live off campus (or on campus, for that matter).

I'm thinking of being in a good place of observation like the caller seemed to have been.

I'm also thinking that I would have probably shot to protect the kids - he shot the woman, but the kids ran inside. At that point I would not have known whether he was going to go after them as well.

The kids would have been my primary concern.

Josh
 
my thoughts would be ; he just killed SOMEONE , is STILL armed , and is STILL A DEADLY THREAT to his children

It would certainly call for watching him. If he headed toward the door of his residence then I would say it were justified to intervene if you knew the children were in the house.

But, if he just walked over to a tree and gave himself lead poisoning... oh well.
 
My thoughts exactly... Apparently, he didnt go into the house. He just went over and sat on a stump....

So, from what we know, there would be no justification to shoot him, unless he started towards someone else.
 
So, from what we know, there would be no justification to shoot him,

I TOTALLY AGREE , you would NOT come out "guns blazeing" at him --- you seen him shoot and kill a unarmed woman --- I would TRY TO keep cover between me and him and ORDER him to drop his weapon and then lay face down till police got on site ---- IF he TWITCHED that SG in my direction , I would feel my life was in danger and would then take direct action ---- BOOM .


EDIT --- If you ever find yourself in any kind of situation even near the one posted , you BETTER make up your mind BEFOREHAND as to when to pull the trigger.
 
It's absurd to think that anyone could have done anything to have prevented this. Unless you were standing right at the scene with a weapon this would have unfolded so quickly that you would have only come back to find the worst of it over.

It is completely reasonable to be frustrated and feel impotent when these things happen, but "grabbing the gun" is no where near as effective as yelling "Bob! Think what you're doing for just a second. Think of your boys!".
 
Man or beast ---- if they are a " mankiller " I think you have a MORAL responsibility to stop that threat , if you have the meens to do so.

I agree, but I dont think the politicians, LEO's, Lawyers, Judges, and reporters agree. It is a sticky situation, but NOT getting involved, doesnt seem to be an option.

"Evil triumphs when good men fail to act."
 
Wow! Appears some folks...we'll just leave it at that.
If you feel ANYONE else is in danger you take the shot with the weapon that you feel most comfortable with to make the shot.
 
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