My First Encounter with a "Fudd"

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I got into a discussion with an acquaintance of mine yesterday; and I thought you folks might be interested to hear about it.

He was talking about how he was critical of Bush for allowing the assault weapons ban to expire. I piped up that I was opposed to the ban, and we got into a discussion about the pros and cons of gun control. He made the typical arguments that “assault weapons” are only useful for killing people and that if the government restricts access to them, then everyone will be safer. I gathered that he was in favor of registering all guns, outlawing calibers that weren’t used for sporting purposes (not sure how he would make the distinction), banning private sales, and imposing a magazine capacity limit. Pretty typical anti- rhetoric, which I countered with the standard pro-gun arguments.

The surprising thing was that this guy is an active hunter and target shooter who was raised around guns! He said that he never really cared either way about “assault weapons” until a friend allowed him to shoot his AR-15. He was so shocked by the rifle’s firepower and accuracy with iron sights (apparently all his rifle shooting had been with scoped guns) that he decided that nobody should be able to own such a terrible thing.

This was my first encounter with a “Fudd.” All the anti-gun people I’d known in the past had been ignorant of guns. I generally hold to the theory that any sane person can be cured of “anti- ism” by a little education and a trip to the range. This guy was the first person I’ve met who was an active gun enthusiast who turned anti- after being exposed to “scary assault weapons.”


I thought I’d see if you folks had any comments, or similar experiences that you’d like to share.
 
I presume that this acquaintance will not graduate to the "friend" level. I would have a hard time hanging with someone who said that accurate open sights were a bad thing. And what will your friend think of the trend of using AR-15's for hunting? That practice is increasing rapidly in popularity.
 
Have him contact Ted Nugent and explain his views to him. Once Ted is done giving him this >:cuss: maybe he won't have such a naive view of personal sporting rifles.
 
These are the people that hurt us most, gun owners that try to 'segregate' different types of guns. They are more damaging than any full on anti. (although they are really antis)
 
I have an uncle who owns both a Glock 22 and a 30-06. He believes that we should not be able to own guns but he won't give up his until they are outlawed(hypocritical I know). I find that when dealing with people like your "Fudd" it is best to explain to them the actual purpose of the 2A along with actual quotations of our Founding Fathers on the issue. Another important thing to point out is just how small a percentage of gun related crime "Assault Weapons" are used in.
 
Tell him he is absolutely right. What we need is more weak and completely inaccurate weapons out there. What purpose is there in making a gun that works well?

One that note, I am going to go pull duct tape some pillows around my alarm system horns, half empty every fire extinguisher and see if I can remove the brake pads from the front of my truck.
 
I have noticed the same thing about some hunting companions. Of course these are the same people who will spend money on gadgets, shooting sticks, bipods, game finders, etc. but not a penny on ammunition to practice during the off-season.
 
Fudds need to realize that by banning anymore gun types will
soon allow for the banning of hunting. The argument that a
person's freedom could be put in danger by gun bans might
also sink in to them.
 
A small side step, I find it difficult to understand how PETA etc. who wants to ban hunting. One who do they think pays to manage the wild life? Its all done at least around here with hunting fees. this stocks the fish, transplants the sheep and manages everything so we have the abundance we have.

Two, without checks from hunting harvesting we would be over run with wild life. God only knows where up to our necks in yotes and wolves, prairie dogs.
 
Fudds need to realize that by banning anymore gun types will
soon allow for the banning of hunting. The argument that a
person's freedom could be put in danger by gun bans might
also sink in to them.
Another very good point. The problem is Fudds usually buy into the propaganda that this whole idea that gun control is really just to reduce crime and that gun control actually reduces crime. They do not understand that it is just for the purpose of outlawing all guns and placing the people under a tyrannical government. If you try to convince them of such they just think your a crazy right wing loon. You really have to prevent these people with facts.

My boss was always kind of anti-gun and did not think that they were protected under the constitution. He always said that the 2A only applied to a militia and all that. I would usually let it go because he was my boss but finally one day I decided enough was enough. I explained to him that there was a second part to the 2A that most people seem to forget: "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. He seemed to think that that was not really in there and kept going back to the militia. I finally quoted to him the entire thing punctuation included and a sort of puzzled look came over his face. I then went on to give a few quotes of some of our Founding Fathers on the issue and reminded him of the recent Heller decision. Well this went into a decently long discussion about the whole issue and now almost a year later he is talking about getting a pistol and an SKS.
 
Something that I noticed was that the guy seemed to assume that if somebody doesn't have a clear need for a gun, then they shouldn't be allowed to have it. My reasoning is that people should be allowed to own whatever they want, unless the powers that be can provide a very good reason why they shouldn't.

He placed the burden of proof on gun owners, while I placed the burden of proof on lawmakers. I'm sure everybody has encountered arguments like that.

It seems to me that when two people have such a different manner of thinking, it's difficult for them to even comprehend each other's arguments. Constructive debate seems to be all but impossible.
 
omething that I noticed was that the guy seemed to assume that if somebody doesn't have a clear need for a gun, then they shouldn't be allowed to have it.

Tell him to turn in all his hunting weapons. In today's modern world he has no need to hunt, the grocery store shelves are fully stocked with any kind of food he wishes. In fact, you could argue that self defense is MUCH more of a need than "sporting purposes".

He's not a fudd, he's an idiot.
 
The real problem is that our lousy educational system has taught for so long that the second amendment protects the right to have hunting arms. Every gun debate always contains the phrase "why do you need an AK-47 to go hunting?". You don't, but you sure as heck might want one to defend your family against a genocidal dictator. This is the fact I try to convey when anyone challenges the need for military pattern guns.
 
The surprising thing was that this guy is an active hunter and target shooter who was raised around guns! He said that he never really cared either way about “assault weapons” until a friend allowed him to shoot his AR-15. He was so shocked by the rifle’s firepower and accuracy with iron sights (apparently all his rifle shooting had been with scoped guns) that he decided that nobody should be able to own such a terrible thing.

maybe he's an active "squirrel" hunter with his 22lr rifle... or a dove hunter with a powerfull .410 single shot gun....


thanks god he didn't call a rifle with a scope a sniper rifle... or he may be want to bann scopes too....
 
it's not "just" the Fudds, people (clay/skeet/wingshooters)
some years back, columnist in the local newspaper did an article
entertaining enough, affable sort of fellow, local color, what's happening out on the farm, that sort of thing

then one day he went off on a rant re: the "assault weapons" thing
said he couldn't understand anybody that could tolerate that, oughta' ban 'em, etc.
Seemed a bit confused about the difference between the IRA and the NRA

but just to be sure and present himself as a reasonable and fair minded fellow
said he had no problem owning hunting guns like his, dontchaknow

guess what "his" rifle was ???

30-06 BAR

(yo, I never knew those little south Georgia whitetails were THAT tough, go figure !)

friends, there is just no cure for those who have a desperate need to remain deliberately clueless
me, I don't care if the guy shoots raccoons with his 30-06, instead of a 223 or 22WMR, but if he doesn't even know what he is holding in his own hands, it is futile to attempt a simple explanation of single action vs double action vs semi-auto

Pogo was right... "we have seen the enemy and they R-US"
:(
 
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Enlighten me. What do iron sights vs a scope have to do with the accuracy of the rifle? Silly me, I always thought that had to do with the accuracy of the shooter.
 
The term "Fudd" shouldn't be used because these folks are Antis that happen to shoot. Just like the AHSA pretending to be a shooter's organization while actually actively working to destroy our rights as gun owners, these gun owners are regurgitating the poisonous lies told by Antis to divide us into owners of "good" guns and "bad" guns.

The best thing to do is ask them what they base their opinion on. Counter with facts, gun crime down since AWB gone, no change in gun crime while AWB, homicides not committed with rifles of any kind much less "bad" rifles, one man's deer rifle is an Anti's "sniper" rifle.

Send this to him and hope he can see it for the truth it is. http://nssf.org/video/index.cfm?vidID=5
 
I thought I’d see if you folks had any comments, or similar experiences that you’d like to share.


Plenty of stories like yours. As President of my 1,600 member gun club, I've seen gun owners than span the entire spectrum.


We have problems with the Bullseye shooter league behaving like jerks a few years back. They've always harbored animosity towards the members of the club who use guns for their practical purposes.


As President, I chair all the meetings. Although I don't like to take sides from the chair, one evening the meeting turned into quite the heated argument. I stopped the conversation and announced:

I will not tolerate any anti-gun attitudes within our midst. End of story. If you can't live with that, you have two choices -
Hold a vote right now to impeach me and remove me from office;
or go join another club.​


That ended the debate, and within a few years they moved their league shoot to another club.


Oh well. They were jerks in general, and we don't miss them one bit.
 
well done Bullfrog
I have always believed that every person is a success story waiting to happen
but that some people need to find somewhere else to do their fair share of waiting
 
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