My GLOCK jammed!

I refuse to believe this post is even real.

Glocks eat anything you feed them. Even if they are buried in dirt, or dropped out of a plane.

Sorry, but with no real proof I have to say this entire thread is posted by a glock hater, and is completly made up.

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I see what you mean.

Heck, I can't throw stones...I am the same way about Smith & Clinton and the idiotically designed revolver lock.

Still, kind of funny that this was clearly a bad round and he jumps on the "blame anything but the gun" soapbox.

It is also humorous that he attacks one of the most reliable guns ever produced on the basis of...reliability.

Of course Glock does bring a lot on themselves by advertising "Perfection"

swerving back to the OP, I do not see anything dangerous about shooting the round. It chambered and the slide closed. Certainly less dangerous than getting a dowel and hammering it out

Edited because I took the bait concerning Boat's trolling.
Not very High Road of me.

I didn't mean to turn the thread into a "jump on boats" fest.

He is entitled to his opinion and if his moniker refers to his position in the navy I thank him for his service.

I do wish that we could discuss things within the realm of reality though. Glocks are VERY reliable

The "realm of reality?"

Is that the one where there isn't an entire cottage industry of grip burners, sanders, stipplers, grinders, reducers, do it yourselfers, and at least two major alternative frame efforts to date--all aimed at mitigating Glock's craptastic grip?

Is that the reality where Glocks are not the most limp wristing malf prone pistol ever foisted on the shooting public? The one where "Glock Knuckle" doesn't exist?

That reality?

due to the popularity of the gun there are many modifications

your assertion that Glocks are

he most limp wristing malf prone pistol ever foisted on the shooting public

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is deviating from reality.

any handgun with a fast cycle rate must be held onto. Lance Thomas had his "imperfect grip" cause his Sig to jam and it almost cost him his life. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_156_26/ai_82533205/pg_3/?tag=content;col1 page 3

While Glocks may have been matched for reliable function and toughness, they have never been surpassed. That is why millions are on the hips of military and police as well as civilians as we speak.

That is reality.

Is that the one where there isn't an entire cottage industry of grip burners, sanders, stipplers, grinders, reducers, do it yourselfers, and at least two major alternative frame efforts to date--all aimed at mitigating Glock's craptastic grip?

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Everyone has different hands, and some folks like to tinker with their handguns.
Big deal.
If they don't work for you then don't buy them.
But clearly, the vast majority of Glock shooters don't feel the need to modify the Glock grip.
Claiming that the Glock grip is "craptastic" simply because they don't work for you, and some others, is just silly at best and trolling at worse.

Is that the reality where Glocks are not the most limp wristing malf prone pistol ever foisted on the shooting public?

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Nonsense.
And a claim that you are not able to prove.

The one where "Glock Knuckle" doesn't exist?

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I've never even heard of this term.
But I have heard of "Glock leg" where Glocks are unforgiving of poor trigger-finger discipline.
And I have heard of "hammer bite" from many 1911 shooters.

Boats, if Glocks sucked as bad as you claim they would have went bankrupt 20 years ago.
But the reason that Glock has been so successful is because they produce one of the best handguns ever.

That's the reality of being the lowest bid acceptable provider there, not a testament to quality itself.

Something else famous and not very worthy of being called great in its own right has a motto of "Billions Served." No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.

Wouldn't that be a Hi-Point?

That's the reality of being the lowest bid acceptable provider there, not a testament to quality itself.

Something else famous and not very worthy of being called great in its own right has a motto of "Billions Served." No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.
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Boats, just keep digging that hole deeper and deeper.

You discredit yourself with every post you make.

fact- Glocks are hyper-reliable

there is nothing that Boats can say that will make that not reality, no matter how much he hates that such is true

The reason why some people complain about GLOCK pistols jamming is, by my experience, a result of the grip angle we either hate or love. A little bit of limp-wristing will reduce the force that opposes the force created by the round going off and pushing the slide back. When that happens, the slide "short strokes" and you get a jam. It's a matter of geometry. Of course, if you're holding the pistol like you should, this won't happen.

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Speaking strictly for myself here, I want no part of a weapon used for self-defense that is in any way "sensitive" to the way it is being held in terms of functioning reliably when compared to its counterparts (that is, when, as in the discussion at hand, comparing semi-auto pistols with each other). The very nature of self-defense presupposes situations where optimum weapons (I might prefer a shotgun-but I don't have one at hand) or ideal grasping (I might prefer a dry hand to grip my pistol-but it's raining) are absent.

Because I can neither predict, let alone control, the circumstance(s) I might find myself in when it becomes necessary to use a handgun to save my life or that of a loved one; whenever possible, I want to minimize or eliminate any reliability/functioning shortcoming a given pistol might have before I rely on it. Perfect stances and grips can be readily attained at the range. Good training and practice can go a long way in acquiring the ideal grip. But, if a "little bit of limp-wristing" is known to cause a malfunction on a particular pistol design or if it is necessary to achieve a grip like I "should" on pistols made by a given brand before I can count on it to fire a second or subsequent shot reliably, I want no part of one when it comes to self-defense.

btw, I wish someone would answer my post concerning the danger of firing the round. I do not think that such was ill advised considering the options

I've never had ANY gun jam because of "limp wristing" - and I've "limp wristed" on purpose to try and force one

Boats, just keep digging that hole deeper and deeper.

You discredit yourself with every post you make.

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One need not mourn a lack of credibility amongst Glock owners.

swampwolf,

with this in mind you should stick with longer slide, slower rate of fire weapons. ANY self loader, especially the newer and often double recoil spring fast shooting guns can be limp wristed.

M&P, XD, Glock, Sig (example given above) can fail to feed if it does not have enough to "push against"

One need not mourn a lack of credibility amongst Glock owners

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the only Glock I own is a field knife and as far as I am concerned, when speaking of Glocks you have the credibility of Joe Biden

If you wanted to discuss the issue show us some facts, articles, tests.

This is the High Road, we are happy to listen to an informed opinion

M&P, XD, Glock, Sig (example given above) can fail to feed if it does not have enough to "push against"

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Glocks are way more likely to fail under such circumstances. Fact.

Glocks are way more likely to fail under such circumstances. Fact.

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please cite where you ascertained this "fact"

Speaking strictly for myself here, I want no part of a weapon used for self-defense that is in any way "sensitive" to the way it is being held in terms of functioning reliably when compared to its counterparts

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Then you had better stay away from 1911's and Springfield XD's.
If you don't hold them properly, then the grip-safety cannot be deactivated.

S&W M&P's, Sigs, Rugers, H&K, Kahrs, and Berettas (to name just a few) are really no different than Glocks when it comes to the "limp wristing" issue.

please cite where you ascertained this "fact"

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He can't.
Because it's not a fact at all....it's just the "Boats Theory".

easyg...let's be High Road and wait see if he comes up with something

after all, there are more Glocks out there than any other striker fire gun (maybe than all the others combined) so their might be something out there. If so I am happy to learn

I've had a couple of their knives, they are very good.

And Strahley, I also have tried to induce a malfunction the same way, and by (foolishly) thinking I could just load a variety of different rounds in a single magazine and cause a malfunction. Obviously that didn't have any impact, and neither did holding onto the pistol loosely. I have done it with a Glock 27 as well.

swampwolf,

with this in mind you should stick with longer slide, slower rate of fire weapons. ANY self loader, especially the newer and often double recoil spring fast shooting guns can be limp wristed.

M&P, XD, Glock, Sig (example given above) can fail to feed if it does not have enough to "push against"

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Well, that's not been my experience with the pistols I rely on for self-defense, among those which are Smith Models 6906 and 4006, an HK USP 40, a SIG 220, a CZ 85 and a Beretta 92. After years of hearing about the "limp wrist" phenomena, I took all of the aforementioned pistols to my range last fall and, over a two day period, tried to induce one of them to malfunction with the most girly grip I could acquire without losing my grip altogether during recoil. Every one of them fired through at least three magazines loaded to the hilt, without incidence. The one pistol that did seem sensitive to being held lightly in terms of malfunctioning was a SIG 2340 Pro. I no longer own it and, if I still did, it would be relegated to range duty.

I have no long-term experience with the Glock pistol and never identified it by brand name in my previous post-I guess when "limp-wristing" is being discussed, the Glock pistol is implied as being a culprit. Actually, the only times I have shot the Glock pistol has been at the range, shooting a friend's Model 19 (he likes them so well that he owns three 19s), and neither he nor I experienced any problems at all. I decided I didn't like the Glock trigger but that is neither here nor there with respect to the "limp-wrist" factor. Though the pistol never jammed, we were shooting at the range and were able to acquire the "perfect" grip for each shot. I don't know how the Glock would have performed with a sissy grip-we never tried.

It's probably true that any semi-auto pistol can be made to malfunction if one tries hard enough to make it happen-but that's not my point. I'm saying that I will not trust my life to any pistol design that has a reputation for jamming when it isn't being held "just so"-no matter the brand, even the one that bills itself as being perfection personified.

will not trust my life to any pistol design that has a reputation for jamming when it isn't being held "just so"

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Swampwolf,

I agree with you in principal but not with regard to a "reputation". Trolls like we have seen on this thread will continuously lie about a particular brand enough to sully a reputation.

You have some fine weapons and I am sure that you are well armed.

I sold my Glock because I didn't like the design of the handle. Ergonomically the XD is much better. Plus I bought a 45 instead of the 9mm.

BTW, here is an example of an improper grip causing a failure in a Sig 220

It is a great read (gun failure on page 3)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_156_26/ai_82533205/