sorry about this but I need to complain

um sahreeeEEEeee!

If someone walked into that retail store to commit a robbery and seen the firearm strapped to his hip, they are going to open fire on the entire store starting with Mr. armed civilian!

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Or they walk in, see the firearm, think twice, and walk out. Most criminals want money not a gun fight.

PS. Welcome and enjoy the pile-on that is about to ensue

I can't even tell if you're serious. Try the decaf and start over.

I, like most of us on here, disagree with you about opencarry. I believe that openly carrying a firearm is a BIG deterrent to criminals. In addition to that, exposing the "sheeple" to firearms is always a good thing in my opinion. Check out the "Why open carry" section at opencarry.org (http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum6/). Straight Shooter is right. Not even armed robbers want a gun fight. I challenge you to find just one instance of this happening. You should probably not waste your time though.

I'm sorry about your father. Welcome to the board.

"gimmie your money"

"hold on a sec. i need to draw my weapon from deep concealment, dig the mini maglite out of my cargo pocket, focus the beam from flood to spot....hold on.....ok im ready to defend myself now. you may resume your robbery."


really? while your fumbling around with your flashligt, the other guy's barrel is already smoking.

carry how you are comfortable and dont rag on others for carring in the way that they prefer when they are well within the law. i would love to have all the things i will ever need with me all the time but in all honesty my house and garage get really heavy in a hurry.

There is no way you can possibly say that the advantage of access and deterrence from open carry is definitively outweighed by the unknown factor of concealed carry. There are WAY too many unknown factors.

We have discussed this ad nauseum, the right to keep and bear arms is not something we should be ashamed of. If you live where open carry is legal, and you feel better doing it, then you should do it. If you confronted this guy and told him it was a bad idea, it's just your opinion.

As for the flashlight thing, I carry one, and it certainly has its advantages, but the truth is, when I'm out at night, it is rarely so dark that I can't identify my target without it. I would rather be able to keep both hands on the weapon if I can. It is also entirely possible that the guy has the flashlight in his pocket and you didn't see it. If it's so dark you can't shoot the target without a flashlight, how do you even know they are a deadly threat? If they are close enough to grapple, and it's too dark to see them, why would I want to keep a flashlight in my weak hand?

Indiana most certainly DOES require a permit to carry concealed. I hope that you aren't carrying to work every day without one.

The way you speak about the risk to others is hyperbole. No, every bullet that leaves the target is NOT an innocent bystander, it's a missed shot. Every bullet that HITS the target is ALSO a risk to others. The REALITY is that incidents involving innocents getting hit are very rare.

It ain't my job to defend the sheep or the store. I protect my self and family. Nothing wrong with open carry 'In my area of state pretty common . Again I don't carry a flashlight either . Did in old days on my duty belt was better than a night stick . Back up all these wild actuation's about robbers shooting up store because of open carry and all the misses being 20 years Where is the proof
not just hear say .

In the state of Indana you do not have to have a ccw permit to carry concealed.

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Last I checked they have CCW lic so guess better have on to carry concealed. Can even get a life time one. Guess their like KY have open carry also.

Do you work in a Mall by any chance.

To be honest I choose to carry concealed. About the only time I open carry is if I am on my way to the woods. I don't criticize those who choose to open carry though & at times it can prevent crimes. We all make our choices & take our chances. Check this story out http://www.examiner.com/x-5619-Atla...er~y2010m2d18-Open-carry-deters-armed-robbery

Maybe you should try M.Y.O.B.

yes a firearm that can be seen can stop a robber from happening if the robber is smart enough to stake the place out. No more than a week ago a local loan office was robbed by 2 teens. they ran in with guns in hand and wearing masks in broad daylight.

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Crooks like that tend to have tunnel vision. They want in and out with cash in a hurry. The likelihood of them noticing a customer open carrying OWB is very low. In fact, I seem to recall an incident that happened not too long ago, where a gas station had an attempted robbery occur, the robber was stopped by a local gentleman who was open carrying a single action revolver.

I cant agree more with the general. someone like that is gonna be tunnel visioned and i can promise you the last thing there looking for is the customers. There goin to the counter. Consider your self lucky to even be able to open carry. i live in south carolina, open carry is not an option for me, but beleive me if it was i would open carry everyday.
(unless im on duty id hate to have .40 rounds shootin down my leg in a juicy burner.)

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Do you work in a Mall by any chance.

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Thanks a lot . . . Now I've gotta get beer outta my keyboard.



To the OP, welcome to the board. You may want to hang out a read a bit before throwing out more generalities. There is a lot of useful gouge here, if you're willing to do the reading.

Welcome to the forum.

Sorry you lost your Dad...

Never feed the trolls...

WHAT'S THAT OP? Sorry, I can't hear you from up there on your high horse.

I open carry regularly in both Indiana and Ohio. I have an Ohio CCL that is honored by Indiana.

In Indiana, you need a license to carry a firearm whether it be openly or concealed.

It is my position that openly carried firearms are a deterrent to violent crime. Criminals want easy money, like not having a murder rap or to be killed themselves. They take the path of least resistance.

I don't get it. I don't get it at all.

Welcome to THR. When is an easily drawn weapon bad for the wielder? I don't know about you, but when someone comes running into a store, I'm pretty sure 95% of the people out there are going to see *** is going down and prepare themselves. We may be soft because of the way the civilized world ha transformed us, but we humans still have instincts. I conceal carry everyday, but would open carry in a heartbeat if TX allowed it. HEAR THAT RICK! WE WANT O/C!!!!

We've had a lot of concealed vs open carry debates here. Most people know that I prefer concealed carry, but that there are definitely appropriate times for open carry. I prefer concealed carry because I can draw my weapon just as fast as the average open carry person can. That's because I how to dress accordingly. I dress appropriately depending on the weapon I am carrying. And I carry in clothing from shorts and sandals to tuxedos and business suits, to jeans.

Even though I prefer concealed carry, I really have to say that you point is over the mark. Yea, the guy was pretty much a moron. He should have chosen EITHER concealed OR Open. Sounds like he was carrying sloppy. Now, if you're saying he, or anyone else, shouldn't carry open, then I have to disagree with you. I might not open carry on a regular basis, and some people carry openly for many reasons; yes, some to act cool or to make a socio-political statement. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed. So I don't believe your concern over his open carry has any validity. At least not based on your description. The way you were explaining it, it sounded like he was "TRYING" to carry concealed, and he was sloppy and it was if "Clear Sight".

The thing that threw me for a loop is the whole flashlight thing. Sorry, but there's no way in hell that I'm carrying a flashlight with me. Not unless I was using it as a tool to hit the person with. It is never "TOO DARK" where I can't see the person that I potentially plan on shooting. It just doesn't get that dark. Especially in your scenario where you're talking about missing your target and hitting innocent bystanders. No way would it be that dark in that environment. We're not police officers patrolling a neighborhood and walking down an ally. Even in my own home, at 2am, I not carrying a flashlight around. It's not that dark. And if it's as dark as you say, and I supposedly can't tell where the bad guy is, then that means he probably doesn't know where I am either. See, I don't believe in this blinding the bad guys with a flashlight stuff. I also don't use a gun as a deterrent that many people think it is. As GOD is my witness, when I pull my gun out of my holster in a defensive scenario, in the split micro-second of time, ONLY 1 of 2 things will happen. I will see the back of the person's head as they are running the other way, (In which case I let him run); or, I see his face or front torso. Which means I WILL SHOOT. This is not negotiable. This is how I've been trained. This is how I practice training. This is how I've conditioned myself. And while I've never had to shoot at a person in civilian self defense, I have shot at people. And I can tell you right now, my pistol is not a deterrence. If I draw it, I will shoot it. And if I can't see my target, then I'm not drawing my weapon. (I'm not talking about a HOME BREAKIN. Home defense is different than Self defense; meaning outside your home)

Sorry, but in your situation, the guy seemed like a retard. Was sloppy in how he carried his weapon. Open or concealed carry; make up your mind. If you're upset that he was sloppy, I can buy that. If you're upset because he was open carrying; then that's you're problem and your hangup. If you're upset because he didn't have a flashlight; sorry, but that is never going to be on my list. I use lasers for low light so I don't have to bring my weapon all the way to eye level (Where I probably can't see the sights anyway), but the laser allows me to aim at my target while keeping my on on the target and surroundings. But no way in hell am I carrying a flashlight.

OP: there's one more thing you haven't considered. This may or may not be true in your state, and if you're right that one doesn't need a CCW to concealed carry, but what about the 18-21 age group? I'm in VA, and I'm 20. I've still got another year before I can get a CCW, but I am a legal owner of several handguns that I frequently legally open carry. Now, I could break the law and concealed carry right now, at risk of a class 1 misdemeanor, I can open carry, or I can go unarmed where I live - in some of the most depressed areas in the state... you tell me which is preferable.