Would you have used your handgun in this situation?

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My brother got home from work at 11pm to find his front door jimmied open. Walks around the back and thru the window sees 3 guys burglarising his condo. He goes back to his car and calls "911".

Are you ready for this... he calls "911" 8 times over a period of 1 hour 20 minutes and each time the operator tells him there are no police available, and if it's not a life threatening situation, they cannot help him.

Although he is armed he stays in his car and waits for police.

Finally after 1.5 hrs the cops show up. They tell him it's not worth the paperwork and long drive to the county courthouse jail and ask him just to let the burglars go free. (He lives in a large city and 2 hr wait times for police are normal).

WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE?

1. Do what my brother did and not confront them.
2. Burst in with your pistol drawn?
 
Wait, what? How can the cops ask anyone to let someone they catch committing a crime "go free"?

Did your brother have them contained in the house for the hour+ it took them to get there?

Unless you can clarify things a bit, this sounds very close to bogus, IMHO.
 
No I'm dead serious this did happen. Last week. Large cities like Los Angeles and NYC it is very common for police wait times. In the end the cops wrote tresspass warnings to the burglars but basically let them go.

When I was in Miami last year I called 911 to report a huge fight on Rt 1 between 4 drivers who were in a massive brawl in the middle of the road. I called 911 and it just rang. No one answered after 20 rings so I hung up. I got a call back around 45 minutes later from them.
 
I work for a large department. Calls are categorized into 3 levels. Level 3 is the least and is for calls that can wait, ie... someone is using my social security number. 2 is more serious and need to be taken when possible, ie... my neighbors are arguing very loud. 1 is considered emergency and is for crimes that are serious or in progress. If we dont get on scene within 5 minutes after the call comes in, we get a nasty gram from the bean counters.

The situation you state would definitely rank as a priority 1 call and would have been dispatched right away. There have been times were I had to leave a lower priority call to go to an emergency one.

Also if I asked a burglary victim to just let the guys go free, I would be fired.
 
I think I'd have to move out of Mayberry asap. So he lives in "a large city" but they don't want to take the long drive to the "county courthouse jail"? :scrutiny:
Just an FYI, Phoenix doesnt have its own jail and still uses the couty jail.

Though we are in the process of building one.
 
My next door neighbors, two fellows, seem like alright guys, we wave or nod a 'Hello' at a distance often-enough but do not know eachother any farther...some bad people showed up and beat them up pretty bad, and, Pistol whipped one of them...and, the two neighbor fellows managed to escape, and hide...BGs squealing Tires around the neighborhood, looking for them.

Very soon, the less injured one was pounding on my door, and, told me the tale, so, I said "Go hide 'there' ( across the Street, behind some large Bushes) and wait till I come outside before you show yourself. I went in, and I called 911...

I called 911 about fifteen more times, and, in over two hours, no Police ever showed up.

Meanwhile, more seriously injured neighbor fellow, appears from somewhere, lots of blood, very upset, and his friend out-from-the-Bushes with him, pounding on my door...I tell them we are waiting for the Police and Ambulance, to go hide '
there' across the Street, and, as we are there at my Door, the two BGs pull up, with some sort of large Automatics...big guys, shaved heads, big arms, gold teeth, lots of Tattoos...and, my two neighbor acquaitances, push past me and dive into my little Home...so, I am left in effect, standing there in an awkward situation.

I am like 5-10, 145, middle aged, non-descript, I was armed, though my M1903 Colt .38 Auto Pocket Model was concealed, and, standing there in my own Doorway, two really big, serious looking BGs getting out of their new hopped up Pick up Truck...I merely wished to look truthful - innocent of any interest in the matter, and, to convey the maybe obvious fact, that my two guests were not exactly invited 'in' as a show of who's side I am on! Lol...


So, it seemed to me in that moment, that I wanted to convey a complex message, without words, so, I made a sort of humble, no personal interest in this, appreciating the irony, of "Such is Life" Shrug...a sort of sympathetic, long-suffering gesture of ''Yeah...things did not go right for anyone here with whatever this is going on, I am just a neighbor, and, maybe at this point, it seems kind of uninspiring or messy to continue, yes?".

BGs paused, looked at me hard, slightly looked at eachother, sort of subtley nodded, and, made a kind of weak dismissive wave, got back in their Truck, and left...and did not come back far as I know.


Meanwhile, injured neighbor fellow is passed out in a pool of blood, his friend, all panicky and freaked out, pacing in circles...

I made some Coffee, and tried to be a good Host...brought small clean Towels, and a Blanket, tried to get the passed out guy layed out with some comfort on the floor.

Finally, hours later, the Police show up...and, close behind them, the Paramedics.


Anyway...

Oye...


If I came home, and saw evidence of a Burglary in progress, I would almost certainly go meet it sideways, or head on, and, see what shakes...and call 911 later sometime, once the dust has settled.

I like the Police here, they seem like good people.

None the less, it is not always possible for them to show up in a timely way for one's possible adventures or concerns.

Even though I am downtown, and not far from any of several Police Stations.
 
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I can believe his story. I live in a suburb of Los Angeles. An gentleman I know said that last year, while his wife was taking the car out of their driveway, she was accosted and pulled from the vehicle in an attempted carjack. Her screaming caught the attention of my friend and his neighbor who came to her aid. The bad guy was beaten up and detained until the police arrived.

The outcome was that the bad guy had a previous record but the police did not book him because it was "too much trouble" according to the parties involved.
 
It would be tempting to intervene, but I guess the answer would be no. Willingly entering a potentially deadly situation is not self-defense.
 
If this is true and that's a big IF. It would be hard to explain to the lawyers that you knowingly entered your residence to take care of the intruders when no one life was in danger.
 
I can believe it. I came home in Orlando one night to find my front window broken out. I waited outside and called 911. I told them it was a break in , and the burglars were still inside. The operator told me that no cops were available, and there would be a wait of up to an hour. I told her what I was wearing, and that I was armed, and that I was going to take care of it myself.

What do you know, my call got upgraded to "man with a gun" and I got 4 cops within 10 minutes.
 
So let me get this right - the cops didn't show up for 1.5 hours, but they still caught the burglars? Were they sitting in the house throwing back a few?
 
I teach in Detroit. A colleague, to whom I mentioned CCW, had reacted skeptically. Some months later, he said he had to tell me something: He "confessed" that he himself had earned his CCW and had bought a gun. "Four hours for the police to respond to a call is too much!" With that he walked off, and I never did get any more detail.

Two students who worked in gas stations told me their stations had been robbed. (Yes, in Detroit. Yes, they are Arabs.) They told me that the police took from two to four hours to respond.

I told her what I was wearing, and that I was armed, and that I was going to take care of it myself.

Good tactic!
 
If you weren't in a deadly situation why would you draw your weapon....If my loved ones were in the house I'd be in there quicker then can be, otherwise call the police and leave. No reason to kill or be killed over things that can be replaced. But yeah, your story is a little suspicious.
 
My brother got home from work at 11pm to find his front door jimmied open. Walks around the back and thru the window sees 3 guys burglarising his condo. He goes back to his car and calls "911".

Are you ready for this... he calls "911" 8 times over a period of 1 hour 20 minutes and each time the operator tells him there are no police available, and if it's not a life threatening situation, they cannot help him.

Although he is armed he stays in his car and waits for police.

Finally after 1.5 hrs the cops show up. They tell him it's not worth the paperwork and long drive to the county courthouse jail and ask him just to let the burglars go free. (He lives in a large city and 2 hr wait times for police are normal).

WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE?

1. Do what my brother did and not confront them.
2. Burst in with your pistol drawn?
Your brother is a wise man, I can't think of one of my possessions I'd be willing to die for.

As for the LEO attitude, get used to it because it will only get worse as money gets tighter in the muni-budgets.
 
I think I'd have to move out of Mayberry asap. So he lives in "a large city" but they don't want to take the long drive to the "county courthouse jail"?

Hey, I live in a Mayberry! This wouldn't happen in a Mayberry. The response would be rapid and I wouldn't get asked to dismiss it. It takes less time to get to county jail here than driving across a large, crowded city to a county jail on the other side of town.

In response to the op, no I would not use my firearm. My life would not be in eminent danger. I would have handled the matter differently, though. The long wait seems odd, as does the burglars sticking around that long. Most roberies, at least around here are quickies. If there was a delay longer than 45 minutes more than one burglar would have already snatched everything in my home that wasn't bolted down. The only people who would be stupid enough to stick around for long periods of time would be a group of kids (easily scared off by a surefire through the window from a safe distance) or these crazy groups of kids that throw impromptu parties in vacant or unattended homes.
 
I would definitely be contacting elected officials & media after the fact. I don't believe I'd go in the house alone but I might block the drive with my vehicle & place myself in an advantageous position outdoors. There are a lot of trees bordering my property & a drainage ditch at the road-basically no other way out with a vehicle than the driveway.
 
If the police ever tell me they're too busy to respond to a robbery call, I"ll simply ask them if they're too busy to respond to "shots fired". That should change their tune pretty quickly.
 
Tough call. If I found myself in that same situation,...I'd for sure call 911,...and likely block the exit of any vehicle if possible,..or maybe even disable it.,...and wait for the police. If the bg's decide to bolt,...the next course of action would depend on a lot of things. I wouldn't put myself in a high threat situation if it could be avoided,..but living in a rural area where it takes time for LE to respond,...I am not going to sit there and let eveything I own be carried away either. Yep,...very tough call indeed.
 
I would say it is time to move. Or have your friend invest in some handcuffs and have a great lawyer on retainer.
 
If the police ever tell me they're too busy to respond to a robbery call, I"ll simply ask them if they're too busy to respond to "shots fired". That should change their tune pretty quickly.
Or just ask dispatch what the response time of the Coroner is.
 
Amazing how many of you people are being indoctrinated into this left wing garbage of being "Nonviolent" for this reason or that .

First it's ok to be a victim and just swallow your pride if the crime only involves "Things" never mind it might be a car or truck that you worked years to pay it off and actually own it .

Next it is if your life isn't in danger let them rape/rob/whatever you and just comply and they wont hurt you too badly.

Where are you people ever going to draw a Line and enforce laws ?!

What is next "O well no one important died" and then "well at least only one person got Killed " and then we progress on to"O well they only killed half the neighborhood"

Lastly you fools will be sitting back and saying "O well they eventually get too tired , drunk and stoned to keep up the killing and then you can run away !!!"

Good God if the founding Fathers could read some of the insane things that are said just here alone much less in the papers or listen to the TV news they wouldn't roll over in their grave they would have just rolled over and gone back to sleep and forgotten the entire idea of a Revolution once they understood that future generations were going to just sit back and and not only allow freedom to be taken from them but publicly defend the Tyrants that were doing it with this kind of garbage !

When they wrote "Life Liberty and the pursuit of happiness" they didn't mean you get to be happy by stealing other people things they worked an honest job for and or killing them if thats what makes you happy !
 
WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE?

1. Do what my brother did and not confront them.
2. Burst in with your pistol drawn?

I sure as heck wouldn't "burst in" with my pistol drawn. Looks good on television, with the action slowed way down for dramatic effect, with the audience knowing the whole time that the good guy is the good guy, and with a plot that ensures that the good guy prevails.

Real life isn't like television. How many of them are there? Where are they? You need to identify your target(s) before firing, "they" likely won't even try. Can you shoot two shots each into the boiler rooms of two moving targets 110 or more degrees apart before one of them nails you (say, in less than a third of a second)? Is it worth the risk?

Much too great a chance of getting maimed or killed, and much too much uncertainty regarding the legal aftermath, as I see it.
 
Something similar happened in the Hilltop area of Tacoma. Despite numerous calls to the police about neighborhood crime, the police refused to get involved. The gang members threatened one of the homeowners, again the police refused to act. The homeowner was an Army Ranger....

Hilltop Shootout
 
If they were IN my house and the police would not respond I would have confronted them armed. If we are too the point the police won't come or even arrest when they do respond to a call of clearly criminal action you then have to be prepared to do what you have to do, either that or be prepared to be a victim over and over again.
 
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