Vz. 58

What 7.62x39mm Carbine?

  • VZ.58: D.Technik/Czechpoint Build

    Votes: 29 82.9%
  • VZ-2000: Ohio Ordnance Works Build

    Votes: 2 5.7%
  • VZ-2008: Century Build (you better back this one up)

    Votes: 2 5.7%
  • Something else (please specify)

    Votes: 2 5.7%

  • Total voters
    35
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After recently changing my MSAR order from 7.62x39mm to 5.45x39.5mm, I have determined that it is necessary (okay perhaps not necessary...but that hasn't stopped me yet) to get a new Commie buddy for it. I have pretty well narrowed it to a D.Technik/Czechpoint build or a Ohio Ordnance Works build of the VZ.58 (or "VZ-2000" as termed by OOW). I am open to other suggestions (but I don't promise to listen :p), but it MUST be a 7.62x39mm. Also does anyone know of any "from-the-ground-up" bullpup designs that fire 7.62x39mm other than the MSAR?

In addition to this I am looking for a good way to attach a low magnification (about 4x) optic to the VZ (should I choose this platform). The POSP seems like the obvious choice...but the brass ejects near vertically. Anyone tried one? Does the SVD mount clear with enough space for the brass to clear...if not how about the AK mount? EER optics, may be the obvious choice, but I don't like em', so that isn't an option for me.

TIA for the input. :)
 
Would the voter care to elaborate on their choice? I'd really like to hear the finer points of each choice, primarily the VZ.58 and VZ-2000 builds (I don't recall having seen a OOW VZ-2000).

:)
 
While there's nothing wrong with the OOW builds, you'll pay more than twice as much for them.

The only real choice from your list is the D.Technik rifle.

(not much of a poll, due to the OOW rifles being near $2000, and [strike]monkey-built[/strike] Century offerings, well, being Century)
 
The only real choice from your list is the D.Technik rifle. [...] not much of a poll, due to the OOW rifles being near $2000 [...]
Their site says $995.00, don't know if it is current, but I will definitely Czech ;) on that. If that is the case, I have pretty well made up my mind in favor for the VZ.58 (barring a better suggestion)...besides I already know they are a fine rifle. Good or bad, I appreciate the information, nalioth.

:)
 
OOW has lowered their prices in the face of the Czech imports, it seems.

Still, I'd rather have the original than the reverse-engineered (and the original is less expensive, too)
 
Pending the results of a fellow member that graciously sent me a PM with a really good deal on a VZ.58, I think I have made up my mind. FWIW, the only feature that I found interesting on the OOW rifle was the optional Al. railed forearm at not extra cost. That said, I don't really want the extra weight, and would prefer a polymer forearm instead. I do, however, want a folding stock regardless of manufacture.

:)
 
I just waved goodbye to two VZ58's, we just finished them, or I should say I, just got them done!
Now, I'm putting one together for myself, almost have all the parts, but a couple critical(to me) parts are still in the production stage, so I be a waitin'!

As for the VZ, a fine rifle it is, recoil is practically straight back with the factory stock, and IS straight back with an AR type stock with no angle is utilized, very little muzzle rise, and neither build had a brake or no flash on it!

A simple, robust design with a carnivorous ejection port and milled steel receiver lends to a extremely reliable rifle. The trigger is for the most part, a standard, long, but too heavy, pull. I think the two I did were 5 lb. or so, I'd have to look at the records.

The 16" barreled units are a smidge under 7 lbs. total weight, not bad for a all steel, milled 7.62X39. One word of caution, they do get heavy fast, once you start bolting junk on.

NEA will have a 'Cantilever' type mount that will mount to their 'railed stock adapter' and hang over the dust cover of the rifle, that's the bugger I'm waiting on!

Czechpoint is supposed to be bringing out a new and improved AK type side mount sometime in June.IIRC The K-Var AK mounts will work on the VZ as long as you cut an inch off of the front of the p-rail, if not, the length of the rail interferes with ejection of the brass. This was how the two I just finished were configured, side mounts, straight AR 6 position stocks with StormWorkz adapters, and one had the NEA/NEIT handguard set, the other a B&T handguard set.

You will have to drill and tap the receiver yourself to install a side mount, or send it to Dan at Czechpoint, and for a small fee he will do it for you. Speaking of Dan and Czechpoint...simply outstanding, Dan knows the VZ like second nature and is a super nice guy, and Czechpoint has all the factory parts you'll need.

Another excellent place to purchase aftermarket add-ons is NIET Arms.
We have ordered parts for these things from a add-on parts vendor in Czechoslovakia, I hope that worked out, no word as of yet!

Both the VZ's we sold shot into 2 1/2"@100y with brass cased reloads and Remington core-lokt 123gr Soft point bullets.

Only thing I don't like, the 30 round mags, I'll be cutting some down to 20 rounders before long! lol

When mine is done, I might post a picture or two, but then again.....

If it were me Mav., I would get the D-Technik from Czechpoint, they are turning out some excellent rifles and you get a warranty!
 
Thank you for the information, very helpful. Also I know that some folks are afraid to D&T a receiver, but I am not amongst them...just want to ensure good, reliable operation before choosing to do so (but i'm not worried about pinging [strike]brass[/strike] steel off a POSP). Looks like the AK type will be the way to go, considering the SVD type will be a good margin lower.

On the other hand, I know an ornery old smith in never, never-land (ask him about his specialty...the AK [ducks] :neener:) that I might just have build me one. ;)
 
Mav....pull your socks up and be someone! lol own a VZ!
That's the plan. Hadn't planned to place the order this quick (don't usually rush into a rifle purchase, or anything else for that matter), but in light of the deal that a fellow member referred me to, I think i'm going to place the order today. It'll be for a D.Technik build. I will disclose the dealer's information and pricing per anyones request...just as soon as I order. ;)
 
How about something like this instead of side mount?
Man they piled it on...if mine ends up looking like that, I need a slap to the back of the head. I do like the optics mount, if it is secure (unlike an AK cover mount). Any additional information on it, like the manufacturer?

:)
 
Nevermind, found the manufacturer, it is Bruger & Thomet. Found a different mount, also made by Bruger & Thomet, but have no idea where to acquire such an unusual piece (or the one linked above) here in the states, though it does appear to be well constructed.

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The Century is cheaper, and has a bayonet mount.

It has a bayonet mount.

I rest my case.
 
I may regret getting one without a bayonet lug...but I somehow doubt it. :rolleyes:

Bought a D.Technik from TGI this afternoon. Price was right (about $100.00 more than the Century build), quality is there.

:)
 
Bohemus, that would be da bomb! But where on earth can you get them OTHER than Czechoslovakia?


I have been talking with someone from 'The Gun Expert's' site, I did not see any of those mount/covers on their site. I have an order ready to go, just as soon as it is approved.
 
Those B&T side mounts are nice, but two things....one, they cost as much as the gun does, well almost. And two, they are higher than needed for the VZ-58.

Czechpoint is supposed to be coming out with a dandy side mount for the VZ in June.
 
Those B&T side mounts are nice, but two things....one, they cost as much as the gun does, well almost. And two, they are higher than needed for the VZ-58.
Well scratch that one off the list. If that one is too high, might the AK mount be too high as well (but still better than the SVD mount being too low I suppose).

Czechpoint is supposed to be coming out with a dandy side mount for the VZ in June.
Might have to go this route instead. Hope they get it right.


:)
 
Yea, Dan said that it was a purpose made side mount just for the VZ58's, so it'll be right!
Any idea if it will be a P-rail for conventional attachment, or designed for commie side-mounted optics?

EDIT: Nevermind, found the thread here. Thanks, Mike.

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Any idea if it will be a P-rail for conventional attachment, or designed for commie side-mounted optics?

The post you found isn't the one covering the new side mount .

As I was told....the new side mount will have an AK mounting base that you will have to attach to the side of your receiver via a drill and tap party.

The actual optic mounting surface will be standard P-Rail.
 
As I was told....the new side mount will have an AK mounting base that you will have to attach to the side of your receiver via a drill and tap party.
In that case, is there any good reason not to simply slap an AK plate + POSP on there and save a little change? Or do I need something between the AK and SVD mounting height to retain a good cheek weld and brass clearance?

:)
 
You can use a standard AK side mount base and arm, the ones from K-Var work just fine, all you need to do is cut off 1" from the P-Rail. The forward end of the P-Rail, this is to allow brass to eject without hitting the rail.

You'll have to drill and tap the receiver....the base lines up with the machine cut on the side of the receiver. Go to Czechpoint for installation directions of a side mount base.
 
I really like my D-Technik VZ58. It is an absolutely reliable rifle. I've set mine up with accessories from ZAHAL in Israel. It has a collapsable AR style butt stock with recoil elimination , ergonomic grip, and a quad rail that replaces the forearm. That's where you mount an optic. The bolt locks open after the final round and the factory trigger isn't as bad as some feel it is. We are talking a battle rifle, not a bench gun. I like it every bit as much as I do my ARs and for close in work it can't be beat. The ARs have an accuracy advantage at longer range, but the 7.62x39 round is more robust. Let's face it. They're all fun to shoot and are all serious self defense weapons. The Czechs are still using the VZ58 for general issue to their troops. The best thing about it is that it's not an AK. Doesn't look like an AK and is lighter than the AK. The Czechs know how to build a rifle. The Germans took full advantage of their weapons manufacturing capabilities during WWII. I own 4 CZ rifles including the VZ58 and all have performed as advertised if not better. Buy and enjoy. :D

http://www.zahal.org/
 
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