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Dooms Day shotgun
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Why do we persist in using the euphemism of the zombie?
We're talking about bad people here who will use such a situation as justification and opportunity to do us and our loved ones harm. Why not just call them that?
I am inclined to agree that a rifle is a better choice.
A semi-auto rifle is deadly from the muzzle to 300 yards, some farther than that.
A shotgun is deadly from the muzzle to 100 yards. I know this from my experience with them with rifled slugs. Some claim that they will shoot farther than that with rifled barrels and sabot slugs, but if you're doing that, why not just use a rifle in the first place?
Point being though, you can choose to engage or respond to a threat with a rifle farther away than you can with a shotgun. And you can shoot farther at a game animal with a rifle. You might miss, you might not (depending on skill), but you still can drop a deer at 200 yards with a half decent rifle. Closer is better when hunting, but if you're near starvation, you best take the shot you have - and the rifle gives you more.
It's true that you can shoot small game with a shotgun and that a direct hit from a centerfire rifle would probably destroy too much meat. Some would say headshoot the little beasts. I'm not sure I could do that if I was weak from hunger and malnutrition. I will grant that an ounce of shot hurtling at a squirrel gives you a better chance to get him than a single projectile, but I wonder if learning to use snares and traps (something I'm not at all well versed in) wouldn't be more productive than either with less work and less use of resources.
Ammo for a shotgun is heavy. Nine pellets of 00 Buck is a proven stopper, but it comes at a price. How many 12 gauge shells can you carry per pound? Even the .308, which is bloody heavy in terms of ammo, gets you about 19 rounds per pound - I'd bet the 12 gauge gets less than ten if you're using one ounce loads of buckshot or slugs.
Still, forced to choose a shotgun for long term survival, I think I'd want a single shot 28 or 20 gauge with a bunch of brass shotshells and all the reloading components I could find, a round ball mould that fits the bore (I think a .54 is 28 gauge, and 20 gauge is around .62 caliber), and punches to make wads and overshot cards. Primers would be the most important thing to store - black powder could still be made and projectiles/shot could be made from scrap lead. I'd bet that although Zinc is known to make poor bullets, it should still serve for round balls or shot.
For defense in the post-apocalypse, Remington 870 with several .50 caliber cans of whatever slugs my gun likes best, along with a bunch of Federal 00 and No.4 Buck.
But I think the two scenarios are not the one in the same that everyone makes them out to be. And I'd still vastly prefer a rifle with as many magazines and as much ammo as I could afford over any shotgun for defense.
We're talking about bad people here who will use such a situation as justification and opportunity to do us and our loved ones harm. Why not just call them that?
I am inclined to agree that a rifle is a better choice.
A semi-auto rifle is deadly from the muzzle to 300 yards, some farther than that.
A shotgun is deadly from the muzzle to 100 yards. I know this from my experience with them with rifled slugs. Some claim that they will shoot farther than that with rifled barrels and sabot slugs, but if you're doing that, why not just use a rifle in the first place?
Point being though, you can choose to engage or respond to a threat with a rifle farther away than you can with a shotgun. And you can shoot farther at a game animal with a rifle. You might miss, you might not (depending on skill), but you still can drop a deer at 200 yards with a half decent rifle. Closer is better when hunting, but if you're near starvation, you best take the shot you have - and the rifle gives you more.
It's true that you can shoot small game with a shotgun and that a direct hit from a centerfire rifle would probably destroy too much meat. Some would say headshoot the little beasts. I'm not sure I could do that if I was weak from hunger and malnutrition. I will grant that an ounce of shot hurtling at a squirrel gives you a better chance to get him than a single projectile, but I wonder if learning to use snares and traps (something I'm not at all well versed in) wouldn't be more productive than either with less work and less use of resources.
Ammo for a shotgun is heavy. Nine pellets of 00 Buck is a proven stopper, but it comes at a price. How many 12 gauge shells can you carry per pound? Even the .308, which is bloody heavy in terms of ammo, gets you about 19 rounds per pound - I'd bet the 12 gauge gets less than ten if you're using one ounce loads of buckshot or slugs.
Still, forced to choose a shotgun for long term survival, I think I'd want a single shot 28 or 20 gauge with a bunch of brass shotshells and all the reloading components I could find, a round ball mould that fits the bore (I think a .54 is 28 gauge, and 20 gauge is around .62 caliber), and punches to make wads and overshot cards. Primers would be the most important thing to store - black powder could still be made and projectiles/shot could be made from scrap lead. I'd bet that although Zinc is known to make poor bullets, it should still serve for round balls or shot.
For defense in the post-apocalypse, Remington 870 with several .50 caliber cans of whatever slugs my gun likes best, along with a bunch of Federal 00 and No.4 Buck.
But I think the two scenarios are not the one in the same that everyone makes them out to be. And I'd still vastly prefer a rifle with as many magazines and as much ammo as I could afford over any shotgun for defense.
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Still 2 Many Choices!?
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Because we actually MEAN ZOMBIES lol 
, you know, of the brain-munching type?
Still 2 Many Choices!?
, you know, of the brain-munching type? Still 2 Many Choices!?
jonboynumba1
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zombies are ALWAYS a threat....even at 300 meters! -sheez I thought EVERYONE know that kinda stuff! -LOL
Joe-R
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Mossberg 590 #4 buck
lobo9er
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Cromlech
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Al LaVodka
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Oh, and did I mention the goodly complement of 0 or #1 Buckshot loads?
Al
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mod 12 winchester
chas08
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B'cuz calling them ZOMBIES!!!!! is easier...
RX-178
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Most likely the shotgun I have at the nightstand. Mossberg 500 Cruiser with an AR stock, surefire light, single point sling and loaded with buck&ball rounds, and with Brenneke 3" slugs on the side saddle. It's also got some of those reusable earplugs tied through the other side of the sling adapter with some paracord.
chas08
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I concur, call them what you want. It makes absolutely no difference to me at all.
Goon,you completely lost me there, I guess the user name says it all.(LOL)
Have a nice day.
CSA 357
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What shells will you use? I have #4 buck and oo and 1 oz slugs
DammitBoy
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If I call my target a zombie, how does that make me not serious about my marksmenship?
Whatthepho?
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Winchester 1300 Defender for me.
neverforget1915
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Two words for reliable shotgun SAIGA 12!!!
now thats a doomsday shotgun i mean unless u can get your hands on an AA12
now thats a doomsday shotgun i mean unless u can get your hands on an AA12
BHP FAN
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Me too.I have the Winchester 1300 with sidesaddle, heat guard,AR stock...Zombie ready.
speaksoftly
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Seriously? Arguing about whether to call them zombies or BG's is about as immature as both sides accuse the other of being. Who cares? The OP didn't ask what you were shooting at, he asked what you were shooting with.
Actually, the OP didn't really specify what he'd be shooting at with it, although I guess the phrase "Dooms Day" implies a societal breakdown of unprecendented magnitude. Of his listed choices, a Remington 870 or a Benelli Super Black Eagle II, I'd pick the 870. Shotgun ammo comes in wide variations to say the least and I wouldn't trust a semi-auto to work with any ammunition. It's fine if you can use your own ammunition that you have stored and know to reliably cycle the action, but if you have to take a shotgun and drive or walk off from a crumbling society, you can only carry so much ammo. I'm thinking you only get about 10 or so rounds of twelve gauge ammo to the pound, maximum, so being able to resupply with whatever your father-in-law has in his gun cabinet (or whatever you find in the glove compartment of an abandoned pick-up truck) could be crucial.
Sure, Benelli says the Black Eagle II will work reliably with anything. They would say that... because they're trying to sell you one of their guns.
In retrospect, I guess that arguing over vocabulary is immature.
Having said that, this is serious business (to me). I don't make apologies or use euphemisms. There are people out there who will do bad things to you. If the police can't get there in time you may need to shoot them. I don't see the sense in trying to hide from that, which is what I feel the "zombie apocalypse" scenario does. But arguing it anymore will only detract from the OP's question - which I suppose I have done enough of already.
My apologies to Brad5192.
Sure, Benelli says the Black Eagle II will work reliably with anything. They would say that... because they're trying to sell you one of their guns.
In retrospect, I guess that arguing over vocabulary is immature.
Having said that, this is serious business (to me). I don't make apologies or use euphemisms. There are people out there who will do bad things to you. If the police can't get there in time you may need to shoot them. I don't see the sense in trying to hide from that, which is what I feel the "zombie apocalypse" scenario does. But arguing it anymore will only detract from the OP's question - which I suppose I have done enough of already.
My apologies to Brad5192.
speaksoftly
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A gentleman and a scholar...well put, sir.
speaksoftly
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...double post...
I normally just ignore the SHTF threads, but this one needs more pics, so I'll chime in... and say that I'll take my current collection and should have almost all scenario's covered one way or another...
Hard to believe that my 16 year old 870 is the newest piece of hardware I own..
combined with these, I have CQB, midrange and long range battle all covered...
Hard to believe that my 16 year old 870 is the newest piece of hardware I own..
combined with these, I have CQB, midrange and long range battle all covered...
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