Boy 10 shoots father at shooting range

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My sincerest condolences.


This should act as a reminder to everyone here that what we post about stories like these are not anonymous. Our words are preserved for all to see and read. In this case it was this young boy's mother and widow of the deceased.
 
The news hasn't told the story of what exactly happened but my only guess would have to be a problem with the gun or a hang fire that caused the boy to turn around and point the gun in an unsafe direction. I have noticed that most unsafe situations occur for somewhat inexperienced shooters when the gun appears to run out of bullets or stove pipes ect and they dont know what to do. My son has been taught to stay where he is and get my attention so I can come to the gun not have the gun come to us. Same rule applies to any new shooters in our groups. Also my friends son was loading my mossy while the camera man was filming and I guess it got him alittle nervous as I noticed he was trying his hardest to put the shells in backwards with the follower down slide half raked.

My english teacher said that when he let his son fire his 9mm for the first time I believe, he fired rapid fire being a pre teen (the rush of firing) and it jammed and he immediatly pointed the gun at my teacher letting him know it jammed. Also that first shot can get some spinning around.

to have kept the gun/rifle pointing down range for min of 2 mins, meanwhile, seeking help, verbally.

I just get the gun ready to fire again with the same round to try firing it again.
 
Wow, that story breaks my heart. I'm glad to hear you have some level of success dealing with the loss. I can't imagine how hard it must have been. God bless you.
 
sanmarcosmom:

I'm glad to hear that your family is coping well. To be certain, there must be many difficult days...that's when family really pulls together.

Best wishes,

Geno
 
thats why reciting the 4 rules is so important.

1- All guns are always loaded (until you establish whether they are or not).

2- Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. Keep your gun pointed in a safe direction at all times: on the range, at home, loading, or unloading.

3- Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target (and you are ready to shoot).

4- Be sure of your target. Know what it is, what is in line with it and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything that you haven't positively identified.
 
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I hope bullfrog doesnt mind me plagerizing but I feel its appropriate. It wasnt only the father that was affected.

My sincerest condolences.

This should act as a reminder to everyone here that what we post about stories like these are not anonymous. Our words are preserved for all to see and read. In this case it was this young boy's mother and widow of the deceased.

Living in Orange County at the time and having a daughter not much older, I remember this story. Terrible tragedy.

My condolences to you and your family. Its a testement to the strength and love you have fostered in your family to pull through as well as you have.

Best wishes to all affected by this unfortunate tragedy.
 
sanmarcosmomm

Please accept my condolences for the loss of your husband. You have my admiration for the way you have helped your son cope. Best wishes.
 
Tragic accidents happen. I'm very sorry for your loss, and hope the little man is able to cope.

It is not just young people with issues with firearms. My Father almost shot me at the range once. He insisted(after I warned, then chastised him for) on trying to ride/lower the hammer down on a CZ40P instead of using the decocker. Finally Murphy caught up with him(and almost me), as the hammer slipped, and the gun fired putting a round into the ground about two feet in front of me. Took that to finally get him to use the decocker.

Still 2 Many Choices!?
 
I didn't realise this happened 3 years ago when I started reading the thread. I was feeling so sorry for your son and am so glad that both of you are coping well.
God bless you both.
Fred.
 
Accidently...
: happening without intent or through carelessness and often with unfortunate results


If it wasn't "accidentally", what was it? Intentionally?.

What word would you use to describe this other than accident? Because if it wasn't, the child will wind up going through the Juvenile Justice System for murder or manslaughter.

Working as a Range master for our club's public shoots, many inexperienced shooters turn while holding a firearm. Only a close proximity of a controlling agent can stop it. As for this, who knows. Maybe he was excited about hitting the target. It could have been many things. Sad that this took the boy's father and the child having to live with the knowledge he was the cause.
 
My dad was playing with a flintlock pistol in 1938-it was charged,and cocked.
When grandpa reached down to take it,the trigger pulled and he caught the ball between the eyes.2 years old...And grandpa was a member of the FBI.
I didnt take my daughter shootin' till she was 17,although I was taught how to take down a 45 and a Garand in the second grade,in military school.
There is no consequence as great as that learned through anguish,or relief as kind as forgiveness.
 
lesson to be learned guys, can never, never,never be too careful, knowledge is the ultimate weapon. I've personally seen so many goof offs at the range, hope all gun ranges take notes on this growing trend of people dying accidentally inside ranges.

Live long, live free, live safe!
 
What a sad story. But also a powerful reminder.......children are children...not miniature adults. They need supervision...no matter how much you train them. Do not extend trust to a child in the same way you would with an adult!!

In a way, this story makes me think...for that can have been me shot in the range by accident.

I'm sorry for the young kid for losing his father.
 
All sympathy to the family but the father is the one responsible here.

I took my son hunting for the first time when he was about ten years old. We had one gun between us, a 20 gauge single shot shotgun. Before walking up the hill to where we would hunt I gave him a shell and had him put it in the gun. I explained the safety and told him to keep the gun on safe. About one minute later while walking up the hill the gun discharges into the ground behind me. I turned around, gave my shaken son another shell and told him to walk in front. No brow beating on my part. I figured he was shook up enough.

That's been a long time ago but looking back I made several mistakes that could have led to tragedy. The gun should not have been loaded until we got to the hunting area. He should have been given range time before going into the woods. More instruction about safe gun handling. All of that was my responsibility, not his.
 
I often take my daughter to the range, but when I do, I never take any of my guns with me. I am not there to shoot, only to instruct, assist, and keep everything as safe as I possibly can. She wasn't allowed to even look at a gun until she had learned the 4 Rules of Safe Gun Handling. I did let her pick out her first gun, a .22, based on how the gun felt to her, in terms of ergonomics, handling, and balance.
 
On thanksgiving my nephews (Mostly adults....), my brother, my girls (11 and 14) and my 10 year old, hyper active nephew go shooting.

I brought my nephew up a couple of days before so that we could spend sometime together going over the rules. He was not allowed to even touch the gun until he could recite the four rules. On the first day here, he recited the rules... I pulled out some guns, went over proper handling and how to see if it is clear, etc... (Even though at the range all guns would be handed to him, and taken from him....)

So, I said go ahead, pick one up... he did... and first thing he did was pointed it at me. I yelled, he cried... and I said... well... we will try again tomorrow. All day he bugged me to go, and I did a search on the internet and showed him several stories of people being killed by kids his age not fulling appreciating the rules.

We woke up the next day and it was like he was a safety instructor. He did a great job and I have faith that he will someday be a good, safe, responsible gun owner.
 
You ever see the "news" story on TV where they put unloaded handguns in toyboxes, send kids in to play, and record what happens? There was footage of those children finding them (unexpectedly), pointing the real guns at each other's heads, etc. It was disturbing.

My wife and I wanted to test how our kids would react after we saw this, so we did that same test in our home. I mounted a hidden wireless camera in the kid's playroom, and put a (thoroughly checked) unloaded Glock in to the toy box.

The kids came indoors (they'd been playing outside), and we told them to go play in the kids living room for awhile. We flipped on the picture-in-picture svideo feed from the wireless receiver on the television, and watched. Sure enough, after a few minutes our (then) four year old daughter, opens the toybox. She stopped what she was doing, turned to one of the older kids (our 9 year old), who came over. Our younger girl pointed in the box. The older child immediately came out to the livingroom and said "Dad, you left a Glock in the toybox."

Not enough just to tell them once. You have to remind them. You have to remind them AGAIN, and again.. and again. It doesn't hurt to test as long as the test is done safely and in a controlled fashion. If your kids fail.. lock 'em up. (The guns, not the kids!) Even if your kids pass, it's important to have occasional family sit downs. I do this at the range when possible, followed by a demonstration of what bullets do. Fear and respect go hand in hand, and the loud sharp noise is scary as hell to those who aren't accustomed to it.

The golden rules of firearms safety are built for adults who are handling weapons. Young children need a different set of rules. My wife helped me cook up the simple rules our children are taught.

#1 Guns can kill, they are not toys.
#2 Do not point guns, even toy guns, at anyone! (Airsoft guns are identical in shape and appearance nowadays, so we just blanket this rule on ALL guns, even toys)
#3 If you see a gun, do not touch it! Ever!
#4 If you find a gun, or a bullet (aka cartridge), TELL AN ADULT RIGHT AWAY.
#5 If a friend of yours finds or picks up a gun, GO AND TELL AN ADULT RIGHT AWAY.

The rules WE follow as parents are also as simple;

#1 Remind the children often about firearms safety.
#2 Any visiting children get taught the same rules about guns. (We don't hide the fact that we own guns, that invites negative curiosity. We inform the children's parents that there are weapons in the house, and if they have an issue with it, that's ok, our children can go visit their children, instead of their children visiting ours.)
#3 Remind our children that talking about firearms at school is STRICTLY forbidden. Their school (like many post-columbine) has a zero tolerance policy and simply DRAWING a PICTURE of a weapon is grounds for expulsion.
#4 (On our older children, 10 and up), periodically go through check & clear exercises to make sure they handle the weapons safely and know how to clear loaded weapons.
#5 Secure all firearms prior to leaving the children alone (even with a sitter).

When the children are old enough to start being taught (I started mine at 10 years old), THEN we start on the golden rules of safe handling. Until then, they're taught do not touch them, to go and tell an adult if they see or find a gun.

Anyway my opinion is unless the children are old enough to go to the range and shoot, teaching them the golden rules WE live as gun owners by isn't effective on it's own if the children are very young. Teaching them not to touch them, and to tell an adult, has proven effective.

Anyone know of anything I might have missed? No system is perfect, and I want to make sure we've got all of our bases covered.
 
Very sad

I frequent many various gun shops in AZ, I am always blown away at how the sales people handle weapons, like they have never had a class yet I know they have. People often get careless when they handle guns often, that is when tragedy strikes. As one gentelman stated, always handle like it is loaded and ready to fire, even if the mag is out, the chamber is open. I am never amazed by the stories, I lost my best friend when I was in high school, 1966, because his brother was outside the tent passing shells through the chamber by cyceling the bolt action of a 30-06, one went off and it went through Richard's heart. Major bummer that could have been prevented if his brother would have practiced gun safety 100 percent of the time. Even at a wall, there may be someone on the other side and many, many of today's loads would have no trouble passing through a wall, even concrete block.
 
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