History Channel's "Top Shot" on Sunday night

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I think that if you're doubting these people credentials, you really need to go to the History channel website and read the bios. They aren't really explaining who some of these people are, probably because it would be meaningless to people who aren't in the sport.
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In the case of some of the competition shooters, just pay your dues and you can shoot against them in Steel Challenge, USPSA, etc. It shouldn't be too hard to open up a can of whoop ass on the likes of Seeklander, Racaza, and Engmann. :neener:

As far as Mike Seeklander goes, he obviously understands the fundamentals of shooting. I watched in total disbelief as he fired round after round through that '03 without a hit. I am smart enough to realize something went south in a hurry that had nothing to do with his ability to align sights and manipulate a trigger, but I didn't hear him blame the gun, the ammo, the sights, etc.
 
Brad,

I believe that many of us, including myself, here on THR appreciate you for stopping by here to address us personally. I too think that you are quite articulate. I have a question for you if you don't mind.

What grain ammo were they using in the beretta?
I have a beretta M9 and if I use 115 grain ammo the weapon groups wider than when I use higher bullet weights. My M9 shoots particularly well with 147 grain ammo. I was simply curious as to the ammunition used in the challenges.
 
kragluver said:
Someone really needed to show them how to use the sights on a Model 1903 though:) Even the "SEAL Team" expert was using the battle sight with the front sight protector on!
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By putting the "" marks around seal team are you implying that Craig was not actually a navy seal?
 
Brad -- Thanks for the quote and response!

And boy would I like to try that zip line challenge!

Funny how editing can turn a person's casual comments into "making an ass out of yourself". Oh well. Your persona on the show definitely makes you stand out. It's what you signed up for, so I am glad you appreciate the "reality" of reality shows. You are now an ambassador for RKBA and shooting sports. I am sure you'll do great.

Despite the drama BS, I love the fact that the show demonstrates how difficult shooting actually IS.

I envision a future Public Service Announcement: "Hi, I'm the winner of History's "Top Shot". If you ever watched the show, you can understand how difficult it is to actually hit a target with a gun. (Show video of the winner missing a target). It's not like the movies. Shooting takes skill, practice and concentration. A gun is NOT a magic wand. So, if some punk pulls a gun on you, and you don't have your own gun handy, your best chance of survival is to RUN! And remember, a gun isn't good or bad. It's a tool. Get out to the range and learn how to safely use one! And practice (blam! at a target), practice (blam!), practice (blam!)!"
 
I'm looking forward to the longbow event next week. Wouldn't it be hard to shoot targets with a longbow on a zipline!? :D

At any rate, I'm curious what other firearms will be used in the future.

I really hope this lasts a few seasons. :cool:
 
Assuming it was what really happened

I have to give Kelly major points for admitting he was unfamiliar with pistol then shutting up & listening.
Like many here I'm less than impressed by the 'Survivor' aspect but again,as has been said here many times,(1) it's supposed to be entainment not life &
(2) it's a pro-gun show on a major network.
 
it's a pro-gun show on a major network.
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Exactly. Right now I'll welcome anything that shows guns in a positive light on T.V.! I might think its corny with all the drama, but if the general public likes it, thats one step closer to gun acceptance in the US, the way it used to be.
 
He had precious few minutes (and fewer rounds) to get acquainted with the 1903. But watching him drop 30+ rounds on target made my heart sink
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I felt bad for the guy. I read everything on 03's, won a couple of old gun matches with my 03, and I knew that my 03's shoot about 14 to 16 inches high at 100 yards with the battle sight. The most common version of the sight has a 547 yard zero. There are a few that were less, but they were sighted for 450 zero's (I think).

The 03 was meant to shoot with the ladder sight up and using the peep (horrible sight) or the notch with the ladder adjusted to 100/200 yards. Bloody windpoints are supposed to the 4 MOA, but really, they are huge random MOA. You touch the windage knob at great risk, because the bullet jumps mulitple inches with the slightest nudge.

Windage changes when you fold the ladder and use the battle sight. Darn 03's are not something you hand to someone and expect them to hit without knowledge of the system and extensive zeroing.

I understood that the battle sight was used in Rattle Battle. The shooters just had to hold off as they advanced to 200 yards.


All you had to do to shoot a perfect score with an 03 was hit the black

This is the 200/300 5V target
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This is the 500 yard 5V
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By putting the "" marks around seal team are you implying that Craig was not actually a navy seal?
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That was not my intent. I had noticed that in the clip showing him shoot the '03, he was using the battle sight and had the front sight protector installed. I should have chosen my words more carefully - I was not attempting to disrespect anyone. Its just that I would have thought the show would have had a technical expert in the background that would have explained how the sights on the older model '03s worked.

I apologize for any disrespect in my previous post - none was intended.
 
In the case of some of the competition shooters, just pay your dues and you can shoot against them in Steel Challenge, USPSA, etc. It shouldn't be too hard to open up a can of whoop ass on the likes of Seeklander, Racaza, and Engmann.
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Awesome. :D
 
Ben Stoeger said:
By putting the "" marks around seal team are you implying that Craig was not actually a navy seal?
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That was not my intent. I had noticed that in the clip showing him shoot the '03, he was using the battle sight and had the front sight protector installed. I should have chosen my words more carefully - I was not attempting to disrespect anyone. Its just that I would have thought the show would have had a technical expert in the background that would have explained how the sights on the older model '03s worked.

I apologize for any disrespect in my previous post - none was intended.
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kragluver, I did not take it as any disrespect to anyone.

Ben, I think it's disrepectful by not using the customary capital letters when refering to the Navy SEALs.
 
mesinge2 said:
Brad,

I believe that many of us, including myself, here on THR appreciate you for stopping by here to address us personally. I too think that you are quite articulate. I have a question for you if you don't mind.

What grain ammo were they using in the beretta?
I have a beretta M9 and if I use 115 grain ammo the weapon groups wider than when I use higher bullet weights. My M9 shoots particularly well with 147 grain ammo. I was simply curious as to the ammunition used in the challenges.
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Never really knew actually. The mags were loaded for us in advance. I think Adam caught that it was Winchester White Box, but I have no idea. Ben should know!
 
ReadyontheRight said:
Brad -- Thanks for the quote and response!

And boy would I like to try that zip line challenge!

Funny how editing can turn a person's casual comments into "making an ass out of yourself". Oh well. Your persona on the show definitely makes you stand out. It's what you signed up for, so I am glad you appreciate the "reality" of reality shows. You are now an ambassador for RKBA and shooting sports. I am sure you'll do great.

Despite the drama BS, I love the fact that the show demonstrates how difficult shooting actually IS.

I envision a future Public Service Announcement: "Hi, I'm the winner of History's "Top Shot". If you ever watched the show, you can understand how difficult it is to actually hit a target with a gun. (Show video of the winner missing a target). It's not like the movies. Shooting takes skill, practice and concentration. A gun is NOT a magic wand. So, if some punk pulls a gun on you, and you don't have your own gun handy, your best chance of survival is to RUN! And remember, a gun isn't good or bad. It's a tool. Get out to the range and learn how to safely use one! And practice (blam! at a target), practice (blam!), practice (blam!)!"
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Yeah, I agree in terms of the difficulty. I mean if you actually run the math, the amount of precision required by our sport is incredible. For distance rifle, we're talking about fractions upon fractions of degrees when aiming (MOA), and ensuring that bullet travels along the same path in spite of wind/weather/powder combustion rate/bullet weight, etc. For speed shooting (like SCSA) we're on the ragged edge of control and have to be literally perfect in technique. But like baseball, it looks easy on camera.

To use the same analogy, and to address something you touched upon in your post, I view guns kind of like baseball gloves and bats. To me they can be sporting equipment, but they also represent a crucial aspect of Americana that I think a lot of people tend to forget. Now I don't expect to see too many in Norman Rockwell paintings, but they're very important to us as a society. What helps our cause is demystifying them to the general public, and teaching them that gun owners are regular people just like them.
 
Just watched both episodes on Hulu. Granted it's not the most accurate show ever but seriously, how much more reality do you expect to find on television? Next thing you know people will be crying foul because Harry Potter isn't real and not everybody actually loves Raymond. It's a show that portrays firearms without demonizing them. Be grateful for that, donate a small amount to the NRA as pennance, and go enjoy shooting your guns in a nation that's still relatively gun friendly.
 
Tried to get my wife to watch Top Shot with me Sunday evening. She said she would if I would watch Amazing Race with her. I said I would if the contestant started shooting each other. She wasn't impressed.:neener:
 
I forced myself to watch the 2nd episode and really did try to like it,but I will not be watching any more.I do not like the foremat and am not impressed at all with the shooting of the "so-called" expert marksmen.I find it hard to believe that these people were picked based on their shooting skills.
 
Totally agree, 357mag. I mean, it's totally like they just found these people by riffling through a phone book.

I mean, just watch this video of Mike Seeklander and tell me how bad he sucks.

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For distance rifle, we're talking about fractions upon fractions of degrees when aiming (MOA),
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I would have to dig out my data books for an 03, but the typical service rifle sight movement that equals one MOA at 100 yards is .006" to .008" depending on sight radius.
 
I thought the show was pretty good, wasn't crazy about all the drama aspect but i really enjoyed the challenges. And remember these guys are good with a particular set of firearms it is not as easy when you handle something that you are not as familiar with. The other thing is they are seeing who is the top shot among the contestants not the whole world. Again I enjoyed watching it, and it was a little funny though when Kelly played mind games with MIke. I can't wait for the next episode.
 
I mean, just watch this video of Mike Seeklander and tell me how bad he sucks.
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yeah..did you see how the star was locked in place :D
 
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