Double taps- any reliable info?

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i'll offer that you don't completely understand the concept behind shooting accurately at speeds in the neighborhood of 4-5 rounds per second

I'll offer that we are likely talking about different things. If you're waiting for the sights to appear on target and your brain to say, "Squeeze". I say you're backing up. Average human reaction time is around .25 seconds sight to finger. To bring god into the conversation, Jerry Miculek can empty a 6 shooter into a playing card in about .57 seconds. He may very well be a reaction time freak of nature, but I doubt that he is double the human average faster. That would tell me he's not likely waiting to see the front sight on the target. He knows where the sights are going to be by the time the hammer falls again.

A body can practice slowly and accurately all they want, sooner or later you've got to put it all together and move your finger fast too.
 
Jerry Miculek can empty a 6 shooter into a playing card in about .57 seconds. He may very well be a reaction time freak of nature, but I doubt that he is double the human average faster. That would tell me he's not likely waiting to see the front sight on the target. He knows where the sights are going to be by the time the hammer falls again.

what you've presented is a parlor trick...much like cutting cards edgewise or splitting a bullet on a knife/axe....and he does know where his sights are going to be. he teaches that, when shooting a DA revolver, your finger works the trigger as fast as it can and your job is to get the sights onto the target before the hammer falls. i've seen Miculek shoot, he can move his finger at an unbelievable rate...we think he's has his tendons shortened ;)

DA/SA or SAO pistols are shot the opposite way. you reset the trigger in recoil, take up the slack and prep the trigger so that it is ready for the final press when your subconscious sees the sights re-appear on the target. you're not reacting to the sights on target before starting your press, the shot is broken as soon as your sights appear...so your splits are measured by how fast your gun returns to battery and how fine a sight picture you are willing to accept. (depending on how discreet your target is)

i'm sorry if i wasn't clear before. i think what you took from what i posted was that i was waiting for the sights to come onto target, recognizing them as being properly aligned, deciding to squeeze, sending the message to my finger and then squeezing.
 
David E, This definition, as it stands, is incorrect. A "double tap" is two rounds fired, on target, on purpose, quickly.

Yes, if you are running .15 splits, than it doesn't much matter what you call it.
 
I would like to get good at double taps before I get into training courses and competition shooting. I assume that before you get good with technique you first have to get used to the quick trigger pulls and feeling the recoil, etc.

Ive increased accuracy from 1 shot hitting the target to 2 shots hitting a decent sized area on target, but I would like to refine my technique.

Any good how-to videos or less so, links?

Obviously I dont want something from that youtube guy prancing about shooting the paper bag 1 foot infront of him, but something from someone with good reputation.
First, the stance, use a weaver stance because you'll need to project your body towards your target ( forget you have a pistol think a sword).
Second your weak hand should embrace your strong hand firmly
third, the shooting, a double tap is a premeditated move to assure a quick delivery, like a sucker punch, so here we go:
Count in your mind,
ONE! your weapon on a rest position right in front of you, pointing down,
TWO! raise your weapon fast and acquire the target,
THREE! as fast as you can press the trigger twice. Usually the second shot falls at the two O'clock position after the first one, after about ten times doing this, you start feeling a natural movement to it.
Keep in mind in most ranges there is a two second rule
 
Just a thought. I wouldn't train for just a double tap. I would alter from double to triple to a whole mag. You fight like you have trained. Their have been instance in which LEO's trained this way fired their weapon using a double tap then holstered the gun. Only problem is the bad guy was still up. In Iraq a number of Iraq police were double tapping suicide bomers with their Glock 19's and the terrorists were still up long enough to set their bombs off. The training now is "burn em to the ground". It's the best chance you've got with a handgun.
 
Practice slow and evenly timed shots with a half-size sillouette. Try to shoot groups in each quadrant. You will get faster with time. In the mean time, the first shot will be doing the job if you need it in the real world. I have practiced double lung-head for years. Am I fast? Faster than I used to be and accurate. BTW, for the guy who doesn't think you can control recoil for a second and third shot, I invite him to go watch a good bowling pin match. I watched a fellow who was really good at it shoot and knock down 6 pins in 2.1 seconds 5 times in a row one night. Made a believer out of me and i decided that I needed to find another discipline if I wanted to win. Good Shooting.
 
BTW, for the guy who doesn't think you can control recoil for a second and third shot, I invite him to go watch a good bowling pin match. I watched a fellow who was really good at it shoot and knock down 6 pins in 2.1 seconds 5 times in a row one night.

if that was directed toward me, it isn't what i posted. i posted that people incorrectly believed that you could control the recoil of a gun by holding the gun down between shots.

your "pin shooter" isn't holding the gun down, they are allowing it to rise in recoil and firing their next shot as the sights come back down onto target. shooting this way, .20-.25 sec splits (time between shots) are pretty much the norm...that's 4-5 shots per sec, 6 shots in 1.2-1.5 sec
 
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posts #9, #22, #23, #27, and #32

(I just thought it would fun to agree with some people for a change, and I do, because that is exactly how it is done)

although you really cannot work on only speed or only on accuracy (it is interactive), you do have to get accurate enough 1st to put your rounds into acceptable target size at chosen distances, then you pick up the pace, so long as still hitting acceptable groups, and you always have a sight picture, even though it does become "sub-conscious", not an independent and discrete step

and if you pump enough rounds out of same frame/size/weight clone guns in whatever mix of calibers, caliber induced "recoil" ceases to be a factor
if you notice 'recoil' at all, you are not there yet, not focused
but you do need to mix them up, you cannot shoot rimfire only, and expect seamless transition to centerfire
and it is not a great notion to practice one and only one thing, to the exclusion of all others... mix it up a bit, unless your sole interest is timed competition shooting
(and have some fun whilst doing it; serious matters will come your way soon enough, invited or not, but "training" can be fun too, and if it is, you will get better faster, than if it is not)

PS
professional training purely optional
those guys gotta' feed their families too
but long before the internet, there was no shortage of people who learned how to shoot guns real well
(and not all professional trainers always agree 100% with one another, either, for those who have not noticed)

PPS
I really should have said I agree with at least 90% of the posts here, whatever misunderstood points some may disagree with one another about
but above all else.... "trigger management is everything"
the very best of advice usually comes packaged in very few words, and that is a 1st class example
 
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