Loaded up some of my first rounds today, few questions

First, did you follow the directions on the DVD on cleaning and lubricating the press and powder measure?

I had to deburr and polish a few components of the small primer system when I first got my LnL. It has worked perfectly ever since. The Large primer system worked perfectly from day one.

Do you have the return spring attached properly on the CAPD?

I did 50 on the single stage and got tired real fast.

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Tired after 50 rounds? This makes me question whether reloading is your cup of tea. If that tires you out, after 200rds on your progressive do you think you can still be giving it your full attention?

Gasitman said:

sometimes the primers do not feed

I had the rod in the tube to keep the weight down, so not sure what is going on there

sometimes the powder would not go into the brass because the actuator would stay in up and not come back down to reset

not all the powder would make it into the shell.

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Wish I had an L-n-L because you have serious adjustment problems... you should really get that figured out or you are just looking for a problem (perhaps disastrous)... you might do fine for a long time, but sooner or later, one of those hang ups is going to bite you in the A double S... and it may be a squib that gets lodged in the barrel, causing a gun to blow up when you chamber and fire another round...

I dont load much .45 and don't have my data here, but that seems to be a lot off... are you using a bullet with a canalure?

I am using the long tube for the powder actuator, and I am loading 45 auto. In the lyman book, it says the round should be 1.295, I am getting 1.210-1.220 on my rounds.

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I would recheck your data. 1.295" is not the correct Max OAL for a .45 Auto.

I got 150 done in about 2 hours on the progressive.

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I think that rate might be doable on a single stage
One thing to remember...there are many hobbies that can be rushed. Reloading is NOT one of them. When I first started reloading I was interested in how many rounds I could get done in the least amount of time. Now all I care about is reloading the best rounds regardless of how long it takes.

Gasitman said:

I went through 2 cans of the hornady dry lube and degreaser like it showed in the video.

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OK, the more you say, the more I have to point out that something is seriously wrong here.

Gasitman said:

I meant 1.275, it was a typo. Either way, mine are short.

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Not pertaining to your question, but this is exactly why you don't take load data off the net.... even if they mean well, they might be WAY off.... load data gets proof read, and even then there is an error here and there...

More to the point- I don't mean to harp on you, but your approach here seems a bit too cavalier for a guy who is doing reloading... when something isn't working out right you have to have the patience to figure it out and get it right before you go on.... or you have to be prepared for what could be really really bad results.

I am glad you are enjoying reloading, and I hope you continue. It can be quite rewarding if done right.... but keep in mind that it can be disastrous if done wrong.

Good luck getting that L-n-L going right, I hear they are pretty decent machines.

Out of all the posts, no one is really answering any of my questions

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Let's see here...

Gryffydd said:

First, did you follow the directions on the DVD on cleaning and lubricating the press and powder measure?

I had to deburr and polish a few components of the small primer system when I first got my LnL. It has worked perfectly ever since. The Large primer system worked perfectly from day one.

Do you have the return spring attached properly on the CAPD?

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I skipped answering the question about OAL because as Mal H says you didn't give nearly enough info and I was typing on my phone and didn't feel like asking all the questions necessary.

RoostRider said:

I dont load much .45 and don't have my data here, but that seems to be a lot off... are you using a bullet with a canalure?

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Looks to me like some people have been making an attempt to answer your questions. It's probably best not to expect a single reply with precisely the answer to every one of your questions right away

Calm down, Gasitman. Believe it or not, folks are trying to help.

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Yep, we really are. We're glad you're getting into reloading; and we want it to be a safe and rewarding hobby for you. We also don't want you to give the hobby a bad name by blowing a hand off It might be a clue that you're getting the reaction you are almost universally from experienced reloaders.

The correct OAL for the cartridge depends on the bullet (that is why you see the variences on the other rounds you have measured) it would be ideal to use the OAL suggested by the manufacturer if you can get that information. If not measure the bullet form top to bottom and we can help you figure it out. It sounds like this is a new press and many progressive presses take some tweaking and adjusting to get them working right which can be frustrating and tiring. Nothing is more frustrating than having your press all set and you are ready to crank out 500 rounds an hour and the darn thing does not work right and you have primers hanging out or no primers thus having to pull bullets!!:banghead: Don't consider the press "ready " for use until you have solved the problems one at a time. The powder feed problem is the most seroius but should be the easiest to solve. I have Lee presses (which have taught me patients) so I can't help you with the particulars but has anyone had a similar problem and how did you correct it???

Here's another idea on the powder measure problem.

Detach it from the CAPD, point the drop tube at a container to catch the powder, and cycle it by manually turning the drum by pushing on the adjustment insert. Move it through several full cycles and see how much resistance you get.

I am loading 45 auto. In the lyman book, it says the round should be 1.275

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The bullet is a 230gr jhp

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Lyman's most recent book does not have any data for a 230gr JHP. The closest is a 225gr JHP and it lists the seating depth for that at 1.243.

I meant 1.275, it was a typo.

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1.275" is the max SAAMI length of the .45 ACP cartridge.
It IS NOT the suggested seating OAL of any 230 grain JHP ever made.

The SAAMI drawing in the Lyman manual shows a 230 grain RN-FMJ bullet.
Flat point & JHP are shorter bullets, and the correct OAL is also always shorter then that.

Look at your Lyamn book and note the suggested OAL of any of the loads.
The suggested OAL is listed right below the bullet weight & type.

rc

1.275" is the max SAAMI length of the .45 ACP cartridge.
It IS NOT the suggested seating OAL of any 230 grain JHP ever made.

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RC is telling you some good stuff right there. It's the MAXIMUM cartridge length for all 45ACP ammo so that it can fit into ALL 45ACP chambers. Max length (in this case) is NOT concerned with bullet weights, feeding, or chamber pressures... only being able to physically fit into the chamber.

Each bullet nose style will have it's own OAL. Part of that is the ability to feed out of the mag, up the ramp, and into the auto-loader's chamber. A possibly more important part of that is the chamber pressure created by the volume inside the case, which is determined by where the base of the bullet ends up.

These "hows" and "whys" are shown in the graphic below...



Hope this helps!

Gas Guy -
The volume under a 45ACP bullet is cavernous when compared to 9x19 "Luger" and other small auto cartridges. In high pressure cartridges with tiny internal case volumes, the pressure can rise dangerously fast with just small decreases in OAL or small increases in powder load.

Thankfully, the 45ACP is not one of those. So while we ALWAYS like to stay as close to the recipe as possible for consistent performance, within reason you can substitute the loads for 225gr with 230gr. As a percentage of bullet weight 5gr to 230gr is significant (about 2%) but not dangerous, ESPECIALLY if you always start at the "starting load".

Same with the cartridge length. Your OAL can vary slightly round-to-round from the recipe, generally +/-.007 is not enough to worry about. Obviously, again for accuracy we are aiming to achieve the lowest variation we can. And 2) you can ALWAYS go longer (a lower pressure) as long as you don't exceed the SAAMI max length.

There are of course safety caveats to the above 2 statements:
• Don't change the OAL and the load together. Always alter only 1 recipe element at a time, and then only if you must.
• If you are using a load from a similar weight bullets, they MUST be of the same materials. IOW, don't use a load from a 230gr jacketed bullet to load your 225gr lead bullet.
• What ever you load, whether straight from a book, or a ever-so-slightly altered load, you must write it down in a notebook.


Hope this helps!

RoostRider said:

when something isn't working out right you have to have the patience to figure it out and get it right before you go on.... or you have to be prepared for what could be really really bad results.

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Ummmm..... that's the best advice you got in this whole thread... (I even point out why)

It seems you were making "typo's" and omitting information all over the place and then decide to go off on the people who are trying to get you going in the right direction.

But meh, you can just Gas It Man and see where that leads too...?.... :shrug:

You seem to be living up to your screen name.

never used a l-n-l press but your seating depth problem seems to me a simple problem to solve. Really the only solution I know of is to adjust the bullet seating die until its where you want it.

Gasitman said:

How about you just stay away from my posts so that we don't get into a pissing match online.

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How about you take constructive criticism for what it is?

That might be better for everyone involved.

The obvious flaws here-

You shouldn't be moving ahead with a press that isn't working right. Plain and simple. No matter how 'close' you watch your press it just enhances the chances of a mistake happening.

The fact that there were several problems with your press, including powder charge issues inflates this problem exponentially.

The fact that it took 2 cans of lube to keep it running for 150 rounds is outrageous and exemplifies points one and two.

The fact that you completely omit crucial points, such as that you supposedly used these 2 cans of lube on just getting things going, points to the lack of thoroughness on your part (not at the reader for not reading your mind)... and no, it shouldn't take two cans of anything to clean 2 presses and 3 sets of dies.... I haven't used two cans of cleaner on my gear in my entire reloading career... for the record I have at least 5 presses, dozens of sets of dies and have reloaded more thousands of rounds than I could care to count.

The fact that you made a typo is common, and potentially dangerous in this forum, which is why I pointed it out (nicely, by the way).

The fact that you chose the name "JustGasItMan" isn't just ironic, it portrays an attitude.... which it is meant to I am sure... or you might have just as well picked "PeaceLovingTreeHugger", but you didn't, you chose GasItMan....

The fact that your posts here suggest that you are taking your namesakes attitude into reloading is a bit dangerous, and warrants being pointed out at very least.

The fact that you come to a forum looking for solid advice, and then just dismiss that a very experienced loader came on here promptly and tried to help you despite all of this..... priceless.... not worthy of comment.

The fact that I would take the time to point out these flaws in logic to some new reloader on a net forum must imply that I don't want you to blow your fingers off with your new "toy", or that I am seriously bored, or a combination of the both. (see the later)

In parting, I'm just telling you to slow down and look at this from a perspective of "what I'm doing could be dangerous" and "proceed with caution". Sometimes the good advice you get isn't the advice you were seeking, or in this case, are willing to accept. I'm not going to put you on some "ignore" list just yet. I still have hope for you... ...but you can go ahead and put me on your ignore list, then you won't have to put up with any of my advice ever again (but the nice people reading this will still benefit from the input)