why is conceal carry permit for 21 and older

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I know and i dont see this law getting changed due to the fact that the only people who care are between 18-21 anyways so we dont have numbers on our side.

You've hit the nail on the head here. Numbers is what counts and the legislative process is filled with older men like Rembrandt up there who confuse reputation with fact. Working in the legislative process causes one to realize just how little control he/she has over the great scheme of things and picking on the politically weaker 18-21 demographic makes them feel better. They're fast to send the 18 year olds off to die for their country though aren't they? It's not fair but life's not fair...just a matter of biding your time. In two years you'll be 21 and can make yourself less of a target by concealing your weapon, in a couple more years you'll be able to have completed law school, and in a few more years the crotchety powers that be will be in homes and you'll be able to make the laws (hopefully in a more just and open minded manner).

P.S. I'm 25, have concealed my weapon for quite some time, and have yet to go on a youth shooting rampage over drinks, a woman, or defending my manhood so I guess the "reputation" isn't fact with me. Before I turned 21, I still had firearms close by at most times and was still a sane, under 21, male.
 
you know Laws kindve remind me of a old computer the memory gets so full it dosnt know what to do and starts crumbling and not working, there needs to be a department that reads all of these laws that make no sense and just revise them and repair them.
 
Because at 18, the average male is too full of testosterone and not full enough of maturity. :neener:
 
Heck, if it were up to me, only 55 year old and older people who were 6'6" or taller w/green eyes could vote, drive, own guns or buy twinkees.
 
speaksoftly said:
.....Numbers is what counts and the legislative process is filled with older men like Rembrandt up there who confuse reputation with fact. Working in the legislative process causes one to realize just how little control he/she has over the great scheme of things and picking on the politically weaker 18-21 demographic makes them feel better.

If I were involved with the decision to change it, you'd have my support for it. No need to portray the 18-21 demographic as weak political victims, they are far from it. It was that demographic which mobilized and gave the current administration it's victory.
 
Childhood has been greatly extended within the last half century or so. Look back in your own family tree and you will see that great-grandma was maried and having babies at 15 or 16.
 
At 18 you can't buy a pistol at a shop, nor can you buy a beer. But we can put a rifle in your hand and send you to some foreign stinkhole and have you defend us.
Logic and reason do not apply.
BTW, nice choice of carry weapon. A lot of young folk would never consider a wheegun for carry. you've got class.
 
Childhood has been greatly extended within the last half century or so. Look back in your own family tree and you will see that great-grandma was maried and having babies at 15 or 16.

And dyin' at 40!
 
When I was your age I was in the Military,...try it you'll get to open carry allllllllllll over the world and the great thing is "THEY" buy the ammo !!!
 
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Childhood has been greatly extended within the last half century or so. Look back in your own family tree and you will see that great-grandma was maried and having babies at 15 or 16.

And dyin' at 40!

Well I'm not a grandma, but I am a grandpa. Had my first real job at the ripe old age aof 13, clerking in our local hardware. At age 14 I was doing the pruchasing for hardware and household. Worked a 60 + hour week during the summer months and only 25 + during the school months. Thought I had the world by the tail, and had all kinds of money to spend, bought my first car before I was old enough to drive. No I didn't die at age 40, still going strong at age 67.

Like I said earlier they had to set the age somewhere, don't like it, see about getting it changed.
 
Because when the Anti's spew gun death statistics for "youth" they include 18-21 year olds' so that they can encompass the gang related homicides. So, I guess the rest of the government followed suit.
 
after working at a few colleges the answer is pretty clear to me.

Way to make sweeping generalizations there. I am sure all the military members who were mature enough to die so you can continue to make idiotic comments feel exactly the same way.

Also: All college employees should not carry, they make sweeping generalizations and so are prone to be racist.
 
and also it seems some posters are disregarding the fact that you CAN open carry at 18, and as i mentioned before theres no change in resposbilities between open carry and concealed, its the same thing you have a loaded gun on your hip walking down main street.
 
Lucky Derby said:
At 18 you can't buy a pistol at a shop, nor can you buy a beer. But we can put a rifle in your hand and send you to some foreign stinkhole and have you defend us.

Logic like that was valid back when there was a draft, and 18 year-olds were made to go, involuntarily. (Wasn't the drinking age lowered to 18 for that reason, then?)

Today, if you're going to a foreign stinkhole, it's because it's your chosen job. You don't get special consideration for doing your job.

Obviously, we can't have children carrying, concealed, or otherwise, so there needs to be some standard for determining children not yet ready to exercise that right, and adults that are. I don't think age is a foolproof method of measuring intellectual/emotional maturity, but does anyone have a better idea?
 
In some ways, Sonier. You are lucky to be able to CC at 21. Those youngsters in Missouri have to wait until they are 23. Of course they can carry concealed at 18 in Missouri if they get an out of state permit that is honored by Missouri. Missouri honors ALL out of state permits...
 
sonier said:
"...you CAN open carry at 18, and as i mentioned before theres no change in resposbilities between open carry and concealed, its the same thing you have a loaded gun on your hip walking down main street. "

In Virginia you can conceal carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, but if you do, you can't drink. If you open carry, however, you can drink. How's that for illogical.

Jacket on: Too irresponsible to drink while carrying a gun.
Jacket off: Instant responsiblity fix.

Maybe jackets should be banned.
 
Not too long ago in a small town in New Hampshire, a 16-year-old applied to the chief of police for a "License to Carry a Pistol or Revolver", NH talk for license to carry concealed.

The chief, while not to happy about this, issued the license saying something like "There is no minimum age in the state law and, as chief of police, I am required to follow the law.

When this became known, there was quite the flap in the local papers but, as far as I know, there still is no minimum age requirement.

Anybody know if this has changed?
 
The original lawmaker that thought that one up was probably still playing hide-and-seek until he turned 21.:rolleyes:
 
friend, whoever told you life was "fair".. was a liar

but they do have to (should) set a limit somewhere
(I ain't real fond of the notion of 12 year olds doing CCW)
in line with what Rembrandt was saying...
me, the foolish things I did to myself between age 18 and 21, I don't want to remember.. (maybe a good thing I didn't even own a handgun then)

because of guys like me, guys like you get caught in the crossfire, ain't fair, but it is what it is

(but do please take along a PH with a big rifle if/when you go after Grizz with that Python)
 
im not scared of a grizzly, either i die and my python wasnt enough or the 357 mag that has been around way before the invention of the smith wesson 460, will perform just like it has in history.
Far as 18 vs 21 debate i dont care, It ticks me off on the lack of thinking. anyone with half a brain would either make it 18 for CCW and open or 21. This is just another one of those crazy gun laws.
 
sweeping generalization? moi? i think that someone had to make a call on an age. heck most places you gotta be 23 to drive a cab. the number of "poorly thought" actions i saw on campus was pretty high and they met with acceptance from their peer group for the most part. till that changes i wouldn't hold your breath for a change
 
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