Selling my CZs! Zed wasn’t so bad friend but there are better ones

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not that it matters at all, but I am doing the same.

I just plain shoot the M&Ps better. So I am cashing in the CZs and jumping ship to Made In America.

I will keep my SA SP01 tho. :)
 
My wife put over a thousand rounds through her's in a single weekend class and the only problem was sore thumb from loading magazines. No problems before the class. None after. Of course her CZ could just be the one good gun off the line that run, but our buddy taking the same course ran his and he didn't experience any problems either.

Perhaps they both were just lucky.:rolleyes:
Buy your wife a Uplula loader and her thumbs will thank you.
 
The obvious answer is: if you want to get a new gun, then get a new gun.

But, don't just sell your defense gun. Instead, buy the new gun, proof it, train with it, then sell the old one.
 
I hope you are not gaged by the number of threads you post on THR. I am more of a reader than a poster and have gotten alot of information here and really enjoy reading the opinons and ideas. I don't post much and don't really intend to. I bought my CZ PCR in Jan and I love it. The trigger is getting better and yes i have smaller hands so it fits me. Have shot several types of ammo without a hickup. My brother-in-law had one years back a Kadet maybe and i liked shooting it. Finally got one of my own
 
I wanted to see what this article he referenced said so I Googled "Zed is not your friend". The 1st result was the article in question, but the 2nd two were posts by the OP on other forums. So I searched "Zed is not your friend irfan" and found he'd posted this exact same thing at a total of four other sites plus he'd had responses on the original article at pistol-training.com, which I found odd.

czforumsite.info
m4carbine.net
glocktalk.com
thefiringline.com
pistol-training.com << site of Todd post

I noticed his threads on several of those forums as well... not that it matters.

CZ internet popularity changes depending on the forum. Lots of guys here and over on the firing line like them and have had generally good results with them.

Over on m4carbine.net they aren't big fans in general. ( http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=51477 )


Todd does post there quite a bit, incidentally, I guess he now shares that sentiment. Unfortunate, I would have liked to have seen him do one of his 25k or 100k round tests on a CZ.
 
why does he feel the need to share his sellings of his CZ's to the world wide web? it's his gun, so he can do with it what he pleases, and I wonder if that would include selling it for about two dollars to a certain guy in Idaho.... haha
 
I am getting a new pistol tomorow but I am going to stay with one CZ. It would be a stupid move to sell both of them.. I'll post some pics of the CZ I am going to keep and also of the pistol I'll get tomorow in a new thread.
 
I guess I've lived a sheltered life. I thought CZ's reputation was solid. I have a P01 that is 5 years old with hundreds of rounds (being conservative, never counted but more than any gun I've owned) fired without EVER malfunctioning in any way.

I've had Glocks, SIGs, Kahrs, Walthers malfunction, usually there is a reason, my most common have been a worn out recoil spring or a problem mag...but never with my CZ. I'm keeping mine .... I'm sure not reacting to an article that doesn't match my experience!!!
 
First of all he has CZ85s not C75s..

Having said that..makes no difference.

You couldnt give me 20 glocks for 1 CZ 85. Better yet, make mine a CZ85B.

Personal experience though..i HAVE seen 2 glocks "ka boom" in .40 and my G19 jammed all the time.

CZ is up there at about the same level with the Beretta 92...and yes..Beretta 92 has even had their share of problems (slides flying back into the face of the shooters)..but these are all LIMITED issues that all manufactureres have had..i dare say even the fugly glock.
 
lets see

the OP could have been using those excellent 3rd party mags like Triple K, Promag and such forth.

He and his brother could be excessively limp wristing

They could be using sub-par ammo or bad reloads

they could also be using CZ clones for all we know.

We are just supposed to take his word that CZ sucks because he had a bad experience. Considering all the positive reviews on this forum and this thread alone, I think we can deduce that the problems the OP had most likely were the result of user error.

(I have owned six CZ pistols and they are by far the best bang for the buck)
 
Seems to be a common problem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsewsolPyBU

Apparently they are more prone to this type of operating malfunction than other nines. Makes me want to rethink on getting a G19. Shouldn't a combat pistol not have this issue? Wonder where Todd on this issue?

all pistols can suffer from limp wristing.


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Depending on the operating mechanism, there are a number of places that limp wristing can cause a failure to cycle. Recoil operated firearms are more susceptible to failure of this type than blowback and gas-operated firearms, and lightweight polymer framed handguns are more susceptible than heavy steel framed handguns. When there is not enough energy to move the slide back far enough relative to the frame to cycle the action, it is called limp wristing. When there is too much energy in moving the slide back relative to the frame, it is called slide slam.

In blowback and gas operated firearms, the slide reacts against the frame pushing the frame forward slightly against the recoil of the bullet leaving. In recoil operated firearms, the slide reacts against the bullet, and the frame is under no force at the time of firing. As the slide begins to recoil to the rear some of that energy is transmitted to the frame through the locking mechanism (in locked breech designs) and the recoil spring. This transmitted energy accelerates the frame to the rear as well. If the frame is not sufficiently restrained by its mass and the shooter's grip, the frame will "catch up" to the slide, and the recoil spring will not be fully compressed, and the slide will return forward under less than the designed force.

One common result of limp wristing is a failure to eject, as the slide will be moving too slowly at the point where the ejector is activated. The slow moving case will be caught as the slide closes, resulting in a stovepipe jam. These jams can be easily dealt with by knocking the used brass out of the way with the side of your hand or closed fist. The other common result of limp wristing is a failure to return to battery; the slide will be moving too slowly to move the new cartridge fully into the chamber, so the slide will stop partially open. The least common form of failure is a failure to feed, where the slide returns to battery on an empty chamber, because the slide moved back just far enough to eject the fired cartridge, but not enough to strip the next round from the magazine.
 
all pistols can suffer from limp wristing.

But Glocks seem more susptible to it then other 9mms.

I had a G17 that was really easy to limp wrist vs my Ruger, berretta, cz and M&P
 
True enough.

I dont 100% blame glock...but then again i do.

Part of the problem was trying to have good trigger control with glocks long horrible spongy trigger thats about as "nice" to pull as hot burritto coming out the other end...its horried.

So when you are trying to stay relaxed and on target and pull through that long spongy trigger pull....about the only thing i could do to keep it on point was tell myself.."let the gun suprise you...dont tense up"...and FIGHT that horrible trigger..ther result = limp wrist.

I do not/have not had this problem on ANY OTHER GUN except the glock.

As a matter of a fact, the only gun i have ever seen with a trigger that bad was the Taurus Millenium and the Kel tec.... (what can i say, im a trigger freak..LOVE the para LDA's and anything that has a good single action mode). The trigger reset on glocks however...are acceptable. Newbs (like i was) don't really learn to shoot with trigger re-sets for a bit when they first start shooting.

..and to further make matters worse... I let the "experts' at the gun stealership talk me into getting a ported barrel..

So no i dont fully blame glock..although most of the factors were glock induced (spongy trigger, being susceptible to limp wristing...and the poor choice of getting a ported barrel version) all add up to a gun with constant jamming problems.

Of course we are a bit off topic now but i think the side topic needed to be addressed lol.
 
I have a nose for B.S. so here's what I plan to do:

I've always meant to buy a CZ, just never got around to it. When my European Lottery money arrives by courier next week I'll have enough money to buy a few and test them out. Maybe I can combine my studies on curving and throwing bullets into the research. Sound reasonable?

PS: thanks to the OP for informing us all of the HUGE CZ problem and thanks to the friendly Nigerian fellow who persisted in his email campaign to notify me of my winnings. Where would I be without guys like those two?
 
I submit that if one brand of handgun is more susceptible to limp wrist failures that is a design flaw. If one brand functions when others fail that is a plus for that brand. If your hands were shot and you couldn't get off two shots with one brand but could with another the choice is clear between them.

Also, I'm thinking of buying a CZ 75, if I could find one in stainless in .40, but maybe they don't make them in SS?
 
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