New Range Rule

In this day and age punching folks inthe face or in the pocketbook, will bring the wrath of the law and courts down of the range and members and helps no one other that the lawyers.

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I didn't realize that shock factor and choosing with your pocket book can get you sued. News to me.

I hate to say it, but many gun owners and range owners, especially the older crowd, have done it to themselves. Were people kicked out of gun ranges in the 50' and 60's, and berated because they brought a Garand to shoot? What if that Garand had been polymer and aluminum? What if the early 20'th century ranges had refused those high capacity high power Winchester 30-30's?

Sometimes people just need to be shown they are wrong. If they don't change they will die out.

I didn't realize that shock factor and choosing with your pocket book can get you sued. News to me.

I hate to say it, but many gun owners and range owners, especially the older crowd, have done it to themselves. Were people kicked out of gun ranges in the 50' and 60's, and berated because they brought a Garand to shoot? What if that Garand had been polymer and aluminum? What if the early 20'th century ranges had refused those high capacity high power Winchester 30-30's?

Sometimes people just need to be shown they are wrong. If they don't change they will die out.

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I agree.
Too many in the gun culture lean too heavily on the "I'm older, therefore I know better" philosophy that used to prevail in rural America.

Now, this philosophy just seems to lend to ignorant old men ostracizing others.

Well, no reason to stay where you aren't wanted. He'll get to enjoy paying the bills out of the pockets of the few in his crowd, and you'll get to enjoy the camaraderie and more welcoming atmosphere of your new club. I'm sure you won't have too much trouble finding a group that isn't so prejudiced.

Sounds like my local wildlife federation ranges.

One round in the weapon at a time.

No firing from a standing position.

No shooting steel-cased ammo.

What gets me is this isn't just for their public range, it's the same for thier members-only range. They like it that way >.>

I don't know the circumstances in this case, but sometimes the neighbors have a good point. A firing range makes a lot of noise, causes dogs to freak out, and can lower property values. If the range was there first... well they should have known what they were getting into when they moved in. Otherwise, making a racket in someone's neighborhood is just rude and they have a right to get pissed.

If anything, I think the lesson that should be learned is that suppressors should be encouraged, not restricted.

The only "real" rule our local club has is no full-auto fire. Lots of guys have those "evil black guns."

Sounds like it worked out for the best. His business he can make the rules as he sees fit. He had better hope though that he can get by on only the firearm owners who do no own evil black rifles.

Personally, I do not deal with business owners like that. Sounds like he is running his own personal fiefdom and could care less about his clients. I see that in a lot of places now, where as a customer you are supposed to be honored that they let you into their business. That is why I like my range. They are a little on the pricey side but the owners pretty much are alright with anything you do so long as you are not endangering yourself or others, or damaging the range or equipment. They are courteous, respectful and always get the same back from me.

People are popping up with housing developments everywhere. Small town racetracks get shut down (or regulated to death) for similar reasons. It's a fact of life.

The developer knew there was a gun range when he built the neighborhood. He figured it ether wouldn't be an issue, or people would complain and the issue would fix itself. Unfortunately, it is usually cheaper and easier for the range owner to give up and comply with the complaints as opposed to fighting a legal battle.

I had a neighbor that complained about my weekend shooting sessions. I was covered, though. Farmland, rural area and his complaints didn't hold up. I just had to deal with him being rude constantly. I tried to appease him at first, but any shot heard was "too much" for him. If he sticks around and my land ever gets rezoned (or some sort of noise restricting ordinances get put in place), the story could very well change as I would be subject to new guidelines.

SHOULD ASK HIM IF THIS ONLY APPLIES TO AR TYPE GUNS,

what about hi cap mags in for pistols do they have the same rule, if so -------see ya

will be back when you go out of business and the new owner takes over.


our range has a 2 sec rule and on busy days 15 min shooting then target change if needed and new shooters to get set up.



never could see why someone would buy a house next to a gun range , ball park, school, racetrack ,or air port then complain about the noise,

Dumbest. Rule. Ever. Just sayin'.

And perhaps their liability insurance has something to do with this rule. Or, as previously mentioned, a group of folks show up and blast away and hit everything BUT their targets - THAT costs money and raising potential liability for injury

As far as punching them in the nose to get their attention - sounds somewhat immature to me. You DO get more flies with honey than vinegar as someone above mentioned. Acting like a bull in a China shop with this "all about me, screw you business owner" mentality just gets you 86'd from using the place for ANY gun. If you have a plethora of choices, then go somewhere else. Having lived out West, shooting was easy - the city park or any canyon on BLM land. Here in the East, not so much public land available, and gun club memberships here are not only expensive, the few clubs have looooooong waiting lists just to be considered for membership which requires being sponsored by someone from the club, strict range safety rules, hefty annual dues, etc.

When it's YOUR place, you get to set the rules. Just because one of us "old timers" doesn't care for your Video Game Commando actions and attitudes - well, just go away and shoot somewhere else

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This new guy was a lawyer and filed a complaint. The Judge said no shooting except on these few dates a year.

The Club's ability to hold matches were cut in a fraction of what they were used to be due to this Lawyer.

Perhaps the shot gunners could not have be so self protecting to the new housing development which contained this lawyer. However, the lesson that might be learned here is that because he was told to "buzz off" he went to court and the Club got screwed.

Careful , is all I am saying. Be diplomatic where possible.

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Club should sue lawyer for lost income and site imminent domain (after all they where there first and he moved in knowing it was there)

Club should sue lawyer for lost income and site imminent domain (after all they where there first and he moved in knowing it was there)

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If there was a realtor involved in selling the homes, and they did not disclose data about the range, THEY could face serious issues as well.

I have seen this happen over and over again, especially here in the East where populations have spread out to what was only a few years ago, rural farmland. Now a lot of older gun ranges, (especially out door ones like trap clubs), have been shot down by yuppie folks moving to the "country". Saw it out West where they moved into mountain lion country, voted for no hunting of them, then complained when the cat ate their precious poodle or cat. With a large anti-gun stigma in this country, and lawyers chomping at the bit to sue over ANYTHING lately, a gun range operator has to be mindful of these things.

This is an interesting thread.

Many members of this forum defend the absolute right every non-crazy adult to own a gun, without restriction, reservation, or qualification of any kind.

On the other hand,




This could be just two different sets of the forum membership I suppose, but somehow it doesn't quiet jibe. It is strange.

I have my own range. And like many others, private or otherwise, eventually it will be closed by public pressure. No problem for the foreseeable future, but sooner or later. I just don't see any way to prevent it. The danger, noise, and range of the guns always work against us, a sadness.

The state range here has instituted a 10 round rule due to the fact that it's a very compact range and idiots were coming in and spraying down neighbors with hot brass. Personally I'd rather see a brass catcher rule in effect (or limit high cap semis to the far right benches), but I guess they don't want to force people to have to buy equipment.

It would be a bigger problem if it weren't for the much larger range up the road that has no need for such restrictions. As it is I've been personally hit with rapid fire brass enough to appreciate some damper on things at the small state range. There's just not enough room there.

I think having a time limit between mag changes is pushing things, though.

Many members of this forum defend the absolute right every non-crazy adult to own a gun, without restriction, reservation, or qualification of any kind.

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I also advocate the same for automobiles. Yet there are certain people I would not drive near and places I would not drive. If they set up a section of town where they posted no police would ever be present, would you feel safe driving those roads?

The fact is no matter what you are talking about there are people who will inappropriately use whatever right they have. Be it driving, using a hammer, nail guns, or firearms. They will avoid areas that have supervision and collect in unusual concentrations where they know there will be nobody watching them. Does that mean we need to yank everyone right to drive, build a home, or own firearms? IMO...nope.

So some oversight at a range, building site, public roadways is needed. Given the OPs original question how would you feel if the city you live in banned all orange vehicles with spoilers on the roads? Simply because having them made the car look a certain way? My 5.56x45 AR is less power full than a bolt action 30-06 or a Rem 750 (semi auto 30-06) with a wood stock but because it looks a specific way someone is going to declare it implied I will shoot like a jackwagon.

If they ever start that sillyness at my club I'll leave. However I'm hopefull it won't happen, they are working on buying more and more land so their will be no neighbors to complain. Also a lot of the members who shoot at lot seem to have a lot of very cool toys. Maybe the hunting guys take over in the fall, but right now 90% of what I see are military style rifles and pistols. The byproduct of this is that the club is currently very well funded so it would take a homeowner with extremly deep pockets to out lawyer us.

I can go to public ranges and get annoyed by silly rules, I pay good money to avoid them.

The exact same thing happened to our local range. They put a "speed limit" on how many rounds you could fire in so many seconds. That ruined my IDPA training as double taps were out. This rule was based on the perception by neighbors that people were just spraying unaimed shots all over the country side. This was absolute BS as every shot was scored and recorded and usually hit within the area of a dinner plate or less on a 10' high berm.

I swear, we will be our own demise if we keep adopting 'anti' or Fudd stances.

even the nra, while doing lip service to assual weapons doesnt like them and caves in on every issue about them. guns are barely tolerated to begin with, bunny hunters, that go to church on sunday do make up a fair amount of voters so their opinion matters. rock n rollers, those with ted nugent like attitudes, and anyone that owns a black rifle is a black sheep. you will find a vast majority of conservative old republicans in the gun world. they want their right to keep deer rifles, and equate the new generation of firepower people in the catagory of criminals and drug dealers. until the old guard with their fixed opinions passes away, those of us that like military style weapons, and other high firepower weapons, will continue to be persicuted within our own ranks.

My local public range is self policed and down in a valley on the side of a quarry. No close residences as far as I know.

If the range is there first then too bad for those that move in next to it. And why be so stupid as to move in next to one, and then expect people to keep it down.

And if a range was put in near a residence or something, why? A new range was just put in down the road from me, kind of on the edge of town. But it's an indoor range, near a somewhat industrial area.

Have you ever tried to shoot for precision accuracy from the bench with either a .22 rimfire or a benchrest centerfire rifle, working on 1/4" groups at 100 or 150 yards with someone firing an auto rifle near you?

Be thankful they supplied you with a place to shoot called the upper range.

The slow 1 shot at a time precision folks have their sport and right to shoot their also, without someone bothering them. Mayhaps its not the "evil black rifle" but how they are normally shot, no offence to those shooting autos, but thats just how it is.