Business owner surprises me!

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I get to work yesterday and the owner of the business I work for asks me if it would be too much trouble to bring my CCW gun in to work everyday! <deleted -- Sam>She said it was because she is kinda freaked out about all the shootings of late and is a little worried that in this eco we are due for a armed robbery, instead of just a burglary. I really like her, but she can get so playbook from time to time! I told her I would be happy to pack at work.
 
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I wish my work would ask me to carry!!! They have a very strict no carry during work hours policy so I'm limited to the knife or various other tools in my Gerber multi-tool lol.
 
I told her I would be happy to pack at work.
You might suggest that she get her own permit, training and sidearm. If she thinks of you as her personal security guard, you could end up in trouble. Her knowing that you are armed could turn into a can of worms when/if she has a dispute with someone. It's one thing to be free to carry as you choose, but for her to order you to be armed, and she knows that everyday you will be, she might think she can USE this new armed security when she feels so inclined.

It's something that has been posted about a lot here. A heated business v. customer dispute ends with someone saying, "Cool down because Sniper X is packing right now"... or confrontational customer is told, "Don't start anything because Sniper X is armed". You don't want anyone using this information for their own purposes. That customer might then go file a report that they were threatened with a gun. It won't be her gun that the cops want to inquire about.

Just a thought.
 
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I'd be pretty tempted to tell her politely to stuff it. I would definitely explain that having a CCW does not make you armed security.
 
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you're nicer than me. i'd oblige, and carry at work but only on the condition that she buy a gun, take a safety class and go to the range with you to learn to shoot it and carry it herself in her own business. i'm all for helping those who help themselves, but i'm not going to play armed security guard for someone who supports a gun control or gun control supporters, especially without a significant pay raise for the increased assumed risk.

Will she support you in court should the need arise if you're involved in a shooting in her place of business? does her insurance cover that?

If I were you, I'd have a sit-down with her before you agreed to all this.

Bobby
 
you're nicer than me. i'd oblige, and carry at work but only on the condition that she buy a gun, take a safety class and go to the range with you to learn to shoot it and carry it herself in her own business. i'm all for helping those who help themselves, but i'm not going to play armed security guard for someone who supports a gun control or gun control supporters, especially without a significant pay raise for the increased assumed risk.

Ditto

Will she support you in court should the need arise if you're involved in a shooting in her place of business? does her insurance cover that?

I'd get it in writing while I was at it.

If I were you, I'd have a sit-down with her before you agreed to all this.

Restating the obvious, but definitely.
 
The fact that she approached you about this shows that you clearly put a good face on gun ownership and gun owners as a whole. Great job!

We also have to remember that liberal doesn't mean anti-gun and that RKBA has supporters from all walks of life.
 
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she needs to understand the difference between a CCW and armed security.
 
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It's no surprise that many people (of whatever political persusion) who believe gun rights should be restricted for others still want protection for themselves. And as others have pointed out, she wants YOU to provide it - rather than take on such a "messy" task herself.

I agree with the others that you should certainly carry if you're able, but that your "duties" on her behalf should be spelled out in writing - and accompanied by her agreement to attend several range sessions and work toward obtaining her own CCW and firearm(s).

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His "duties" are spelled out in writing, in the state CCW laws. What needs to happen, from the sound of it, is that she understand them.

How does she know you have a carry permit anyway?

Honestly this entire situation just sounds like one big red flag from start to finish to me.
 
I'm uncomfortable with others, who are unwilling to incur the cost, hassle and liability of providing a means for their own defense, asking me to do it for them.

This has come up at church....

I'm told by my pastor that it's a good thing if I carry at services. But the leadership has been shy to publish any kind of security policy or to organize any kind of security team (unlike the church in Colorado in which an armed volunteer on their security team saved a LOT of lives). I can only assume that they are concerned about liability and the bleating of the sheeple.

Then the guy who has been at the center of the do nothing security committee takes it upon himself to tell me I'm "printing" while I know that I'm carrying legally with the leaderships encouragement, so I have not been overly concerned about "printing". I carry the same at church as I do anywhere else, and have never been made that I know of. But then again, if you know that someone is carrying and you look carefully for signs of it while they stand up and sit down, you're likely to see a bump once and a while. This guy carries himself, and trains actively, so I suppose he's just trying to be helpful.

I'm more than a little concerned that the typical parishioner is so clueless to the real threats that are out there (the senior pastor has had his life threatened as well as several threats of violence made in attempt to intimidate him into cowering into PC preaching, and the youth pastor was threatened that his wife and young kids would be burned alive).

I'll stand up to the plate and do my part, but am fairly irked that other able bodied men, are happy to do nothing, with hopes that others will come to their aide when it hits the fan.

Not trying to hijack your thread... I see my quandary as being related to your own situation at work, but may be awry.
 
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...she needs to understand the difference between a CCW and armed security.

Very true, but without knowing exactly how the conversation went it's hard to know if that is what she had in mind. Maybe we can get some clarification from Sniper X, or maybe Sniper X needs to clarify with his boss...
 
I'm not going to get in to right or wrong about your boss' request, but I would feel better carrying than not carrying.
Protect my own...........
 
I agree that helping her learn to shoot and defend herself would be the first order of business.

I also agree that "armed security" as an additional job duty needs to be discussed along with all the implications. If that's something she wants to support financially, at least in some informal sense, that's a good thing, but be cautious about whether she expects you to protect her property or just your and her lives.
 
If you have to shoot someone is the business going to pay for your legal defense if criminal charges are brought? What about civil suits arising from your actions.

Superficially it seems like a good thing that she asked. Realisticly you're taking all the risk and she's assuming none since your position isn't security guard.

Tell her no, you appreciate the thought but the legal issues are too complex for you to risk carrying and acting as a 1st line of defense as a regular employee.

Tell her she'd be better served by hiring a professional security guard.
 
WHoa! Let me explain a little bit. She knows I have a CCW because she has known me for 15 years and gave me time off to go get it. Not only that, on the topic of her getting trained and carrying....uh huh. I would not want that myself! She is "not the type" She doesn't have it in her to do what may be needed. No, no way. She has always been fine with me packing at work, packing on business trips and so on. She knows i usually CCW at work anyway, but has asked me to keep it up so to speak. All that crossed her mind was to let me know "basically" that she is glad I have a CCW and am well trained, and very safe and carry at work and wants me to continue to do so. she has no malice in her reasoning...I would however love to get paid extra for being the armed guy on premises! What a great idea....never happen in these times. selling is not going all that well right now ans I am lucky I still have this job to tell the truth.


Her idea wasn't to take the easy way out. And I don't feel put out by being asked. I would like that extra money deal though!
 
Her idea wasn't to take the easy way out.


With all due respect to you sir...yes it was.


As you stated:

She is "not the type" She doesn't have it in her to do what may be needed.


My wife is the same way! "Hates" guns...doesn't want anything to do with them...raised a stink when I took 'em up...but asks, "Do you have your gun?" - whenever we're in a sketchy part of town or hears a bump in the night.

Protecting her is my duty...protecting others and their business interests - not so much.

Having said that, I'd still carry every day in your situation - for your own protection if nothing else. You will of course make your own decision on what to do if called upon to protect others.
 
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Tell her no, you appreciate the thought but the legal issues are too complex for you to risk carrying and acting as a 1st line of defense as a regular employee.

Tell her she'd be better served by hiring a professional security guard.
So, you're saying that carrying wouldn't make the OP safer, that carrying incurs legal liability, and that hiring a near-minimum-wage, non-gunnie security guard to look imposing would create a safer environment than encouraging employees to carry?

There is a degree of cognitive dissonance here that surprises me, because those are the arguments the anti-CHL zealots use to try to get workplace carry banned. Honestly, I know quite a few liberals on DU who are more pro-CCW than a lot of the responders in this thread.

As I see this, the boss is acknowleging that CCW by the lawful and competent creates a safer environment and is encouraging that in a positive way. Would some people be happier if the boss discouraged carry instead? I wish more employers, including many who self-identify as "conservative", were as open-minded on lawful CCW.

To the OP, I say good for your boss, and I'd discreetly carry in that situation. Doing so does NOT make you a "security guard", and unequivocally provides a net safety benefit to you and those around you.
 
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Lawyers would have a major event with this if you ever got in a shoot out.
More finger pointing and back peddling than you'd ever imagine.
Major insurance issues as well.
 
I'd say, "Thank you for the vote of confidence, and please remember, this conversation never took place. We don't want any legal weirdness if anything ever should happen, since I don't have a Guard Card, any official security training, etc."
 
i thought this was the high road? some of your responses seem to miss the bar on this one. first if he didnt carry at work becuse of policy, and she changes that policy than that is good for him. if he would tell her no or demand she do this or that & she says never mind, & keep the policy the same, would he be any safer? i am glad that he can carry at work & that he has the forsight to know that she wouldnt be a good candidate for a gun or carry license. im guessing if they have known each other for 15yrs, he would probably defend her life anyway, but i wouldn't defend her property. the more people who are pro gun, regardless of political affiliation is better for all of us.
 
Rocky, nope, don't think so. Those times are getting fewer and further between. I also can say, if someone came in here, brandishing a weapon, demanding we give them all our money, jewelry, and a 5K plasma monitor or two and I had to put them down. No cop or lawyer in their right mind is going to make themselves look stupid in a CCW OC legal state and try to take me to court over it. another thing, if you remember it was here in Albuquerque where an armed citizen, who didn't even have a CCW had to shoot a guy in Walmart...where it is technically illegal to carry, for trying to kill his astrainged girlfreind with a knife. Not only was he never brought up on charges for shooting and killing the stabber, he never got in trouble over the fact he was in Wal mart carrying a gun where it is illegal to do so.
 
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