Parkerize a Lever-action?

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Has anyone here done this? How does it work out with the moving parts (lever / bolt)? How expensive / difficult to do should this be?

I got a great deal on a .44 Marlin levergun, and would like a finish more durable and brighter (stainless-like) than blued. Is parkerized even the way to go?

Bonus points if someone can recommend a place to get this done near me.
 
Id go for it. havent seen it done, but it would be really cool.

Cerakote maybe worth looking at as well? I have bolts on bolt rifles done the whole way in the stuff and it works just fine. Id think a lever gun should be ok too?
 
Mac, at web site below finished a 1911 for me that I really liked in a spray and bake finish that had the same color as parkerizing (dull grey - one of many color options). However, I believe he parkerizes before he applies the finish coat...if you just want parkerizing. You can ask. Service was fast, fair price and good quality:

http://www.shootiniron.com

Good luck
 
I'm looking into that Cerakote. Interesting stuff! I feel like I'm going to have trouble having that stuff applied locally though. I'll keep searching.
 
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Lou at Grizzly Custom Guns: http://www.grizzlycustom.com/ said that the Cerakote is very good. He was quite high on it. I was thinking of having another 1911 worked on from them but it would require re-anodizing (aluminum frame) and I was seriously considering the Cerakote in a desert sand color - but it was costly. Grizzly did not do it so it would have had to be shipped out. With shipping and the actual work it was getting pricey. I suspect it would be an excellent finish.
 
Parkerizing will be a very tough finish. If you even take moderate care of it the parkerizing will prevent rust.

Call these guys: http://www.tnwfirearms.com/

They are in Northern Oregon and have done very good work for me parkerizing guns in the past. Cheap too.

Plus you can drive down to drop your stuff off if you don't want to ship out of state. BSW
 
John Wayne is probably rolling over in his grave now............Park a lever action.................Please tell me it is a joke.................

You do realize John Wayne was an actor, right?

Lots of real cowboys had their pistols nickle plated. I'd bet it wasn't for show either.

Parkerizing is a very tough and effective protective finish for steel. If they had had it back in the day I bet it would have showed up on lots of classic firearms. BSW
 
Ive done one, and had another done by a local smith. The smith did a mid 80's era Winchester Trapper, that could not be reblued due to the receiver metal being some sort of alloy, and my buddy and I did a 50's era standard Winchester 94 I got cheap and was in rough shape.

This is the 94.....
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Its not hard to do yourself, if you have the stuff and have access to a bead blast cabinet. You do have to be comfortable with doing a total tear down and reassembly of the gun too.

Cost for someone else to do it, shouldnt be to bad, I'd guess these days, around $100-150 for a rifle.

Park works well, but is only marginally better than bluing. If you want something a little more durable, as well as "bright", hard chrome is a better choice.
 
We actually refinish quite a few lever action rifles here in the shop. There's still a bunch of people who carry them as working or truck rifles. We've refinished them in black with Nickel plate on the trim, black and charcoal 2 tones (Most popular) and even have one now that's getting done in black and od green!

We don't offer just Parkerizing due to us using Zinc type solution. It's kind of ugly looking by itself but makes a great base for the Gunkote molly finish. Yes, we use our TG-1 finish on all of the internals too and it works fine.

We only use Gunkote as the finish over the Park. Yeah, there's a lot's of "spray and bake" finishes out there but how many of them will back up there million dollar advertising budget with test specs? Keep yer powder dry, Mac.
Tuff-Gun Finishes. The Name Says It All.
Mac's Shootin' Irons
http://www.shootiniron.com
 
Well, I would love to do this myself, because I enjoy learning everything I can about the inner workings of everything (including my guns) I own. However I am not afraid to admit when something is far enough outside my realm of experience to warrant a professional's time. I don't have access to a bead blasting cabinet, and as you may be able to extrapolate from the title of this thread, I don't even know if parkerizing is a suitable finish for this sort of gun. I thought it might not be because of the nature of this finish is to leave a textured feel to the parts, which then may not fit together well on some of the sliding pieces, such as the lever or the bolt.

As for Mr. Wayne rolling over in his grave; let him! If he doesn't approve of better and more durable finishes on guns, then he'd probably disapprove of heating my food with a microwave instead of in a coffee can over a wood fire too.

The reason none of my guns are blued is because once, after cleaning all of my guns, I oiled up my Mossberg 500's barrel and put it in the safe (humidity controlled). When I took it out again, there was a very apparent rusty thumb print from my hand on the barrel. This must have happened after I had wiped the whole thing down with Hoppes oil, and believe me when I tell you I am very thorough when I clean my gun. After that day I decided that since I like the look of stainless better anyway, I will always pay the extra to have a more durable finish than this. Since then, and until now I have never had a blue gun. On top of all that, my research on other gun finishes has brought me to the conclusion that, besides bare steel, bluing is the very least durable finish of them all. I don't mean to step on any toes here, but as a guy who was low maintenance options for EVERYTHING and durability as a top priority when buying something (definitely an AK guy over AR), bluing is just not for me.

Sorry for the long-winded answer high-roaders. Thanks for all of your suggestions and insight :)
 
You do understand parkerizing is not a bright finish & looks nothing like stainless?
Denis
 
You can do it if you want, but it won't be that bright. I mean the finish, not the decision. :D I guess some would consider it a non-traditional finish for that kind of gun, but whatever floats your boat. I think if you want a lot more durability than blue, you might want to consider a finish like Black T or Robar, which I understand to be more durable and protective than parkerized finish. The parkerized finishes I've all seen have been a dull/flat dark gray color.
 
Yes I do understand that. The point of that realization was that most guns that come in blue also come in stainless for slightly more. In the case of this Marlin, I knew that the .44 stainless would be a very rare find, and probably out of my price range if I did find it. So, instead of holding out, I bought this for a good price and planned on finishing it with something else that is still more durable than bluing.
 
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Satin Nickel, or hard Chrome, or NP3... Parkerizing is too thick.

I have an original 1892 Winchester in 38 WCF, (38-40) which was a first year production rifle actually made in 1892.
It was used by one of my ancestors who was a Law Dawg in Colorado and other places. It was recovered from his body after a shoot-out in the late 1890s. The only damage to the bluing is from wear and his blood on one side. Another relative re-furbished it in the late 1940s after he came back from overseas and used the GI bill for gun-smithing school.

I still shoot it 5 or 6 times a year and take it hunting once a year out in the rain and sleet.
The rifling is a bit thin these days.

Anyway,,, the moral of the story is that a properly maintained blued rifle will last 118 years.

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Uhhmm........Satin Nickel, Hard Chrome and NP-3 are all surface platings. Whether done by electrode activation or electroless, they all add material to the surface of the metal. If done correctly, platings will wear very well but they are all thicker than before being plated.

Parkerizing and bluing are surface conversions. A chemical reaction between the chemicals in the bath and the metal causes a change in the surface of the metal.

Aside from the physical and chemical differences between the two types of finishing, the biggest difference are the changes in dimensions. Any type of plating process will increase the parts overall size. No, it's not much but it can cause difficulties in precision fitted parts. I have taken parts that fit to loose and tightened them up by plating them. A surface conversion finish will add nothing measurable. (By me at least!!) In fact, a surface conversion finish process that's done incorrectly can remove metal. It's an acid!

Parkerizing get's it's durabilty because it tends to soak up oil. The surface can feel dry but the oil is down inside the "pores" protecting the metal. Many finishers will use that soaking effect to soak up whatever spray type finish they're using. It gives a better bond and wears better.

Some spray on finishes are an absolute BAD THING for the internal workings of a firearm. One of the very common ones is Polane under a different name. It's made for dump trucks and is way to thick for close tolerance moving parts. Even worse, it will not burnish so it just "balls up" as it's worn.

"To thick" is not necessarily a bad thing...as long as the finish will burnish. Burnishing means that the parts wear against each other evenly. The high points or to thick part wears off but the low points remain as is. The overall effect is that the parts start out a little snug but then wear to a perfect match with a noticeable decrease in friction, especially if the finish contains a lubricant.

The worst thing about any "spray and bake" finish is that it looks so easy. It's not difficult if you have the correct equipment and the knowledge to use it. Sand blasting the parts with dirt scraped up from the back yard, spraying it on with a two dollar air brush after the metal was heated with a hair dryer and then curing it in the kitchen oven while cooking a pizza at the same time will NOT result in a durable good looking finish!

The bottom line is that there are many different firearm finishes available. What's right for you for one firearm may not be right for somebody else or a different firearm. Working guns are different from competition guns which are different from go-to-the-range guns, etc. etc. Some will rust if not baby'd, some will shine in the dark, some aren't as pretty as the other one, some look dangerous just sitting there, etc. The trick to picking the correct finish for your gun, is to ask the right questions. Do you want discreet, glow in the dark, rust proof, works slick, show only, etc.??????? Ok ok! That was a few bottom lines. Keep yer powder dry, Mac.
Tuff-Gun Finishes. The Name Says It All.
Mac's Shootin' Irons
http://www.shootiniron.com
 
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