SBS/SBS or Automatic

What several of you seem to be missing is that if MGs were to become unregulated, it's highly doubtful they'd then retain their exemption from SBR status as well.

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...which is why, of course, almost no military forces currently deployed by the USA or any other modern country have full-auto weapons in each and every person's hands.

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Almost all M4s in combat are used as semi-automatics.

What several of you seem to be missing is that if MGs were to become unregulated, it's highly doubtful they'd then retain their exemption from SBR status as well.

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Assuming the fantasy world of this scenario came to pass, existing case law and regulations would still apply in practice - meaning OAL and barrel length would be moot if on the books as a machinegun.

Furthermore, some autos would become cheaper than their semi counterparts - open bolt guns, for instance, are far easier and cheaper to build and design, and military surplus designs would be even cheaper since no hoops or re-engineering would have to be done.

Even if the hoops were present for SBR/SBS but MGs were kosher, sign me up for my $1k full-auto that I had to pay a $200 accessory tax on to have a < 16" barrel.

And the ugly final truth if this fantasy land came to pass: go machinegun all the way - think surplus M16s and M14s and the like through CMP.

Well of course I'd like to see them all go but if I was forced to choose one thing we could get out of NFA today it would be suppressors.

The shooting sports face lots of opponents especially in more urban areas. Ranges all over the country are being forced to close as homes move in closer and closer. People move in next to airports and shooting ranges where the land is cheap then immediately begin complaining about the noise.

We should all be able to buy suppressors at Wal Mart (hi Justin) and every place else that sells firearm accessories.

Suppressors shouldn't be viewed any differently than earmuffs, they are a simple safety device.

The SBS is all I could afford.

Anyone have an idea what suppressors would likely cost after deregulation?

I know they're still pretty expensive in Europe. Unfortunately, I just can't see American shooters going out in droves to spend $300+ on suppressors in order to be good neighbors and protect our rights - too many idjits who'd ignore the reality and just say "aw, screw it, we was here first." Ranges would have to implement rules requiring suppressor use (which might not be a bad idea, actually - they could even rent 'em).

I have to think they would go down dramatically once it all shook out. Right now it is a niche market, if they were wide open then more manufactures would make them creating more competition. When the sporting goods stores start stocking suppressors and firearms MFGs start making them stock or providing for attachment of suppressors without a trip to the gunsmith then the economy of scale will kick in on the pricing.

Unfortunately, I just can't see American shooters going out in droves to spend $300+ on suppressors in order to be good neighbors and protect our rights

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I don't know if they would do it to be good neighbors or protect rights, but I bet a lot of people would buy them because they are fun. A lot of people who shoot my suppressed guns end up getting a suppressor. I actually bought a .22 from a friend so that he could put the money towards the tax on his can. IOW, at least some people are willing to own fewer guns to have a silencer.

I doubt the guys who shoot a few boxes of ammo a year (which is most gun owners) would buy them, but the volume shooters who make the most noise would probably spend several hundred dollars on a firearm accessory that made shooting more fun and enjoyable.

IMO, relatively few people have them now due to the paperwork/tax hassle and perception (i.e., silencers are illegal, silencers are for poachers, only assassins use suppressors, if my neighbor is shooting his wife I want to hear it etc. (by the way, I've heard all of these comment in the past few years when gun owners have shot my suppressed guns)). If you get rid of the paperwork and tax, and sell them over the counter, more people would by them and the perception issue would lessen quite a bit.

I'd have to go with short barrel shotgun. I wish I could just chop my grouse gun at the end of the magazine. Would be so much handier in the really thick stuff. I've pretty much given up on the shotgun and taken to a .22 pistol or .38 revolver and hope to catch them n the ground or in a tree.

Can I vote for both?

I voted for SBR just because I can't afford to shoot full auto, but it would be nice to own new auto's.

The 1986 rule is so one day all the auto's out there are worn out/broken and we the people won't have anymore.

Unfortunately, I just can't see American shooters going out in droves to spend $300+ on suppressors in order to be good neighbors and protect our rights

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I suspect the prices in Europe are higher simply because of volume. Economies of scale here would drive the price down and competition up without all the regulation.

Mass produced by one of the big companies I could see them $100 or less for average performance, not to mention many manufacturers would include one in a package deal. Buy an XDm and get a case, holster, 3 mags, a bumper sticker, and a suppressor

Unfortunately, I just can't see American shooters going out in droves to spend $300+ on suppressors in order to be good neighbors

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I can see that...lines out the door and backorders in the first few months, first for some as "cool" and "I can" factor, then as they become commonplace, there'd be far fewer noise complaints to police stations from annoyed neighbors, and far fewer people suffering hearing loss when their earplug comes out a bit.

I'd pay 300; if that's what it cost to make plus a margin for the fabricator. I object to an additional 200, a 66% tax on the 300, just because some gun-shy liberals think that you must be up to something nefarious if you want to protect your hearing and limit noise pollution in your area.

Still, one day i'm gonna knowingly get hosed and go in for one at the current rates. It wouldn't be the first time i got overtaxed in a country that was started by guys who didn't want to pay taxes.

Full auto. Purely for economic reasons. I can afford a $200 tax stamp for a SBR or SBS pretty easily. I've yet been able to justify $15K+ for various full autos. If you do away with the current restrictions on machine guns those prices will tumble very very quickly.

I had to go with full auto. The only reason I chose that is because most SBS/SBR options are already pretty attainable with a tax stamp, while new production or pre-ban MGs are for most of us not realistic.

For me my dream AR with a FA/Burst selector would just be icing on the cake, would'nt burn through $1000 bucks a weekend but would be nice to have it.

And for those saying they could not afford MGs anyway, if they were legal the prices on the ones out there would come way down and tons of companys would be cranking out new ones. Just something to consider before voting.

If suppressors were unregulated there would probably be cheaply made ones for under $100. More than likely made in China.

The SBS is all I could afford.

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That is because they are rare when they could make and sell all they wanted, todays $3000 MAC's cost less than $200.

Anyone have an idea what suppressors would likely cost after deregulation?

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$200 less. I have a good supply of “drops” of chrome moly and aluminum. All of my form 1 builds have been made for little more than my time.

REPEAL OF THE HUGHES AMENDMENT!!!

A select fire MP44/Stg44 is my dream gun but at $15k + there is no way it's going to happen at present. :banghead:

If Hughes was repealed, that dream could come closer to reality.

The same goes for a select fire AK74.

A SBS has no appeal to me.

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That is because they are rare when they could make and sell all they wanted, todays $3000 MAC's cost less than $200.



$200 less. I have a good supply of “drops” of chrome moly and aluminum. All of my form 1 builds have been made for little more than my time.

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Ahh yes but you have cost of feeding (ammo) also, I wouldn't want a full auto and have to have it be in a diet

i prefer simply undoing hughes amendment, gca 68, and nfa 34.

I think one of the most beautiful things in the world is an old Remington 870 with good-looking wood furniture and a hacked off barrel.

Neither.

My vote would go to suppressors.

I voted a while ago, but didn't post. Interesting that it's neck and neck every time I check back.

Personally, I'd be more than happy to strike all the gun laws off the books. But I voted for SBS/SBR because they are more practical to me personally. Full auto doesn't interest me that much. At the same time, I'm sure my AR would be select fire if it were legal and the price was only nominally more than the current SA versions.

Frankly, I want all of the above, including the suppressors. But as it stands, my first foray into NFA items will be this:

an old Remington 870 with good-looking wood furniture and a hacked off barrel

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FA for sure, since they are the only thing prohibitively expensive...Im suprised the vote is so close...

I say neither for safety concerns, can't imagine another nutcase buying a legal SBR/full-auto and going to the nearest University.
But I voted for the short barrel, since I don't really see a point to full-auto.