Poll: Sig P239 vs Kahr P9/CW9 for CC
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InkEd
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The Sig and Kahr platforms are very different. You're comparing guns that aren't really meant to fit the same bill. The P9 is great but IMHO not that much more refined than the CW9 for the price. The Sig is great too. You need to decide what type of pistol you prefer. Good luck.
I voted CW9. Mine has been 100% reliable through over 700 rounds so far. I see no signs to indicate any issues with durability either. Concealability goes to the CW9 in all dimensions, particularly in weight which I certainly appreciate while carrying all day.
Zundfolge
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Kind of apples vs oranges ... a better comparison would be Sig P239 VS Kahr K9.
Right now, the Sig P239 has the lead.
I'm a Sig sort of guy, I guess.
I regret selling my P239 now. Big mistake. It was a tack driver and dimensionally, was great for IWB carry - but heavy (quality has its price, and the robust build of the P239 showed up in the weight).
But then again, the virtue of the CW9, if I do decided to not get another P239, is that it weighs just over 1/2 as much, making concealment easier.
I am more comfortable with the Sig's hammer and 2nd strike capability, and I've grown to inherently trust the quality and reliability of Sig, so the Kahr thing would be a new thing for me.
Also, it's sort of weak that Kahr only ships one magazine with the CW9.
Anyways, thanks for your feedback.
I'm a Sig sort of guy, I guess.
I regret selling my P239 now. Big mistake. It was a tack driver and dimensionally, was great for IWB carry - but heavy (quality has its price, and the robust build of the P239 showed up in the weight).
But then again, the virtue of the CW9, if I do decided to not get another P239, is that it weighs just over 1/2 as much, making concealment easier.
I am more comfortable with the Sig's hammer and 2nd strike capability, and I've grown to inherently trust the quality and reliability of Sig, so the Kahr thing would be a new thing for me.
Also, it's sort of weak that Kahr only ships one magazine with the CW9.
Anyways, thanks for your feedback.
Zundfolge
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I guess given those choices I'd go with the Sig. But turn the Kahr into a K9 and it gets the nod over the Sig.
Zundfolge:"I guess given those choices I'd go with the Sig. But turn the Kahr into a K9 and it gets the nod over the Sig."
The CW9 is about 17 ounces unloaded, whereas the K9 is closer to 23 ounces unloaded.
I see the weight of the CW9 as the most primary advantage it has over the extremely reliable and (IMO) more durable and accurate P239. The K9 nullifies this weight advantage to a large degree.
The CW9 is about 17 ounces unloaded, whereas the K9 is closer to 23 ounces unloaded.
I see the weight of the CW9 as the most primary advantage it has over the extremely reliable and (IMO) more durable and accurate P239. The K9 nullifies this weight advantage to a large degree.
I somewhat expected the Sig to win this one, but not by such a wide margin.
After doing some research, and this is not a 'hate on' comment, I have grown somewhat leery of the polymer framed Kahrs, and this is based on even a lot of things I've read on Kahr.forums.
It seems the metal frame Kahrs are solid, but there's been more complaints about the P and CW series.
I can't remember the last time I've heard or read any problems about the P239 anywhere.
After doing some research, and this is not a 'hate on' comment, I have grown somewhat leery of the polymer framed Kahrs, and this is based on even a lot of things I've read on Kahr.forums.
It seems the metal frame Kahrs are solid, but there's been more complaints about the P and CW series.
I can't remember the last time I've heard or read any problems about the P239 anywhere.
oletymer
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My Sig P239 has never had a malfunction of any kind. It is not a tack driver though. It's accuracy is acceptable for a carry gun but certainly not great.
millertyme
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P239's are heavy. Period.
Zundfolge
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Zundfolge
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The SIG is a good shooter, but I've always been disapointed in the P239.
In handling them I've always found them to seem larger than they should. They LOOK like they should be svelte, compact carry pieces but in the hand they're much bulkier and brick like than one would expect. In all honesty I'd rather just add a little weight and bulk and pack a P229 instead and get 5 more rounds (I know on paper the P229 is a LOT larger than the P239, but in the hand they really don't feel that much larger ... or rather the P239 doesn't feel that much smaller).
The Kahr is just hands down one of the best designed CCW pieces ever made. Its thin, feels lighter than it is, doesn't have a lot of levers and other controls and the Elites have triggers that can only be described as Pythonesque (look ma, I invented a word!).
In handling them I've always found them to seem larger than they should. They LOOK like they should be svelte, compact carry pieces but in the hand they're much bulkier and brick like than one would expect. In all honesty I'd rather just add a little weight and bulk and pack a P229 instead and get 5 more rounds (I know on paper the P229 is a LOT larger than the P239, but in the hand they really don't feel that much larger ... or rather the P239 doesn't feel that much smaller).
The Kahr is just hands down one of the best designed CCW pieces ever made. Its thin, feels lighter than it is, doesn't have a lot of levers and other controls and the Elites have triggers that can only be described as Pythonesque (look ma, I invented a word!).
Got a chance to shoot a CW9 at a range tonight.
Let's just say that it's not for me at all.
The extra weight of the P239 is a non-issue for me at this point.
2 lessons:
1) Always rent or borrow the firearm you think you might want to buy before doing so, if possible, and put some lead down range.
2) Never sell a firearm that was absolutely reliable and a pleasure to fire.
Let's just say that it's not for me at all.
The extra weight of the P239 is a non-issue for me at this point.
2 lessons:
1) Always rent or borrow the firearm you think you might want to buy before doing so, if possible, and put some lead down range.
2) Never sell a firearm that was absolutely reliable and a pleasure to fire.
I fired the CW9 again along with the Walther PPS tonight.
I might come around on the CW9 because it's so damn light and concealable. I could not get a comfortable grip on the PM9 because it's just too short (for me).
Does anyone have any reliable information about the durability of the Kahr polymer frame used in both of these (the frame is the exact same)?
I am concerned about polymer framed pistols with the exception of Glock, due to the utter reliability and longevity of the G17 and G19 (some guy has over 130,000 rounds through his G17, I do believe) with original frame.
I might come around on the CW9 because it's so damn light and concealable. I could not get a comfortable grip on the PM9 because it's just too short (for me).
Does anyone have any reliable information about the durability of the Kahr polymer frame used in both of these (the frame is the exact same)?
I am concerned about polymer framed pistols with the exception of Glock, due to the utter reliability and longevity of the G17 and G19 (some guy has over 130,000 rounds through his G17, I do believe) with original frame.
InkEd
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I have over 1500 rounds through a cw9 and it shows no signs of wearing out. Have an mk9 with over 5000 rounds and no problems for wear.
NWdude83
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Of course a Sig, with a match grade barrel, is gonna win.
usp9
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The concealability factor is really the only one that differentiates the Kahr from the Sig.
Of those three I'd choose the Kahr P9 for these reasons;
* It's lighter than the Sig.
* It's thinner.
* I prefer the polygonal barrel, (CW9 doesn't).
* Comes in all black, (CW9 doesn't).
* Offers a choice of night sights, (CW9 doesn't).
Of those three I'd choose the Kahr P9 for these reasons;
* It's lighter than the Sig.
* It's thinner.
* I prefer the polygonal barrel, (CW9 doesn't).
* Comes in all black, (CW9 doesn't).
* Offers a choice of night sights, (CW9 doesn't).
Just my .02, but I don't think that conventional vs polygonal rifling in the barrel of a small CCW pistol, meant for short distance defense, is going to be that important, and also, reloads can be fire through the CW9 barrel (if one was so inclined) but not the polygonal P9 barrel.
Also, the CW9 now can be fitted with night sites (a relatively new accessory for it).
I do agree about the two tone thing - I much prefer the all black, down to business aesthetics, myself.
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Try a K9 Before You Decide
I've shot both. I second the already stated opinion that the P239 just seems too blocky for what it is. The K9 may only be a few ounces lighter, but it packs, handles and shoots so very well due to its form. I've also shot the P9 and did not like it at all compared to the K9. Sure, its lighter. But I found the K9 no harder to deal with IWB, and easier and smoother to use for getting shots on target. Also, the P9 just did not have the quality feel of the K9.
I've shot both. I second the already stated opinion that the P239 just seems too blocky for what it is. The K9 may only be a few ounces lighter, but it packs, handles and shoots so very well due to its form. I've also shot the P9 and did not like it at all compared to the K9. Sure, its lighter. But I found the K9 no harder to deal with IWB, and easier and smoother to use for getting shots on target. Also, the P9 just did not have the quality feel of the K9.
Madcap_Magician
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The P239 is a quality gun, but so is the P9, and the CW9 only sacrifices a little quality for a big price drop.
I think the P9 gets the edge, it's thinner, with basically the same capacity as the P239, slightly less shootable, but very much more concealable.
I think the P9 gets the edge, it's thinner, with basically the same capacity as the P239, slightly less shootable, but very much more concealable.
evan price
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I like the weight of the P239, because second shots are more controlled (I own a KelTec PF9 for comparison). Also the DA/SA action with decock and no safety imho is great. Just draw and fire like a revolver. But I am a Sig luvver so go figure, I carry a P220 or P225 sometimes without a problem. A GOOD holster makes all the difference.
I have a P225 and really enjoy shooting it. However, its larger, thicker and heavier than my Glock 23 with half the capacity so I don't carry it very often. When I first got it I carried it quite a bit but my CW40 is so much easier to conceal and doesn't get left behind locked in the truck like the Sig seemed to in lighter clothes.
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