Just got an email from my College

I'm glad they're addressing the issue. I wish I could carry on my campus but the proposed law got struck down this year.

Your campus sounds like mine, and the "shelter in place" policy is what's officially advocated. In fact, we were to have a drill recently for that very purpose, but it was postponed.

do you have any questions ready for the "presentation"?

Ask about the schools/states
- failure to recognize and support the 2A
- failure to address the legislature to allow students to defend themselves
- laibility of the school for failing to do the above

I'd ask them what the average response time is for them to get to a given building on campus then follow it up with wouldn't it make sense to allow students who have been vetted by the State of Oklahoma to carry concealed in the classroom to at least give students a fighting chance?

When I went to OU the CCW age in OK was 25. Otherwise I would have had my gun in my backpack despite the rules on campus.

You know, apparently schools and colleges never got the memo that most shooters are students themselves, and thus are all "in" on the school's clever emergency plans. They KNOW policy is to lock the doors and turn off the lights. They KNOW if policy dictates students lay down on the floor, etc. They KNOW how long it takes most professors to fumble for the keys and lock the door, if they even have the key to lock it in the first place. They've been there. They've seen it themselves.

Bah. concealed means concealed.

I'll take the trespassing ticket AFTER I've stopped the madman, thanks.

I just had the same thing here at my campus. We were told to run, hide, duck, cover, and wait for the police to arrive. The most disturbing thing was the section on sexual assault and rape. They gave the great advice of peeing your pants and claiming you have a STD to make yourself seem less appealing. They also told us that if our life is in danger that we should go along with their demands, and wait for a way out.

I was furious to say the least.

They gave the great advice of peeing your pants [...]

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Which seems to be the conflict-resolution method preferred by the intellectual crowd these days.

If this country had to do the Manhattan Project again, I'm sure there would be 6 months of politically correct "diversity training" required before they started actual work.

...and we'd be a Japanese colony.

They gave the great advice of peeing your pants and claiming you have a STD

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^^^^^ :banghead:

They gave the great advice of peeing your pants and claiming you have a STD to make yourself seem less appealing

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Illinois State Police web site says to gag on your finger and vomit on yourself.

Direct copy/paste.

# It may sound disgusting, but putting your fingers into you throat and making yourself vomit usually gets results. (This method is not often used except as a last resort.)
# Use your imagination and you can think of others.

"Use your imagination" I'll tell that to my fiance.

I recall reading that the Virginia tech shooter used a chain and padlock to secure the exit door so the police couldn't get in and the sheep couldn't get out. Frustrating to think how the "hide in place" policy plays right into that scenario. All you can do is pick the desk you want to die under.

Would a group of students take it upon themselves to rush the gunman knowing some would be shot or would they follow their "training" and wait for the bullet? Are options like that even discussed in these college seminars?

And what are the odds of combat seasoned vets being in the classroom to take on the situation? There are some I am sure but that isn't the way my luck would run and I'd rather not rely on that possibility as my salvation in such a situation.

In my experience, these seminars are not usually open to any student comments, let alone those of dissenting opinions.

During my freshman year orientation, the guide was giving a speech about how all firearms were to be left off campus, not even allowed in a car, and that CCW permits were not valid, because it would keep us all safer - when I snickered, the faculty member launched into a tyrannic episode about how guns kill people, and that allowing legal CCW would make campus into the 'wild west'

As I draw to the close of my college education, I think I can safely say that 99% of college professors are teaching because they are so rabidly leftist that joe-citizen wont hire them into a real job.

Once again, it's necessary to remind members here that this is S&T, not Politics. Keep it on topic, please...

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as an adult student in a full time program i am amazed at the intolerance such "tolerant" people as college instructors demonstrate when discussing self defense options. sadly, they are agreed with by the largely female student body, and even by some of the younger men. my own stance is on record, and respected by as many as 20% of the students i have discussed this issue with.

our campus policy is "leave your CCW gun in your car". it is sometimes complied with. concealed is concealed. the option of being dead or being expelled is a no-brainer. i am more discrete when carrying on campus, as open carry becomes more common in PA, but everybody who knows what to look for knows anyway.

Our campus security, basically a bunch of rent-a-cops who just smoke and give out ridiculous parking tickets all day, made a video on the same subject a while back.

Basically, they say to lock our plywood and glass doors to start. Then turn out all the lights and pretend we're not there. :banghead:

This is ridiculous considering that not only are the physical barriers essentially worthless but spending even one day exploring the campus will give you a pretty good idea of where the major centers are during the day.

So, basically the only thing that can save us if there is an active shooter scenario is the hope that a) he didn't bring enough ammo or b) he dies from something along the lines of cardiac arrest fairly early on.

Pronghorn said:

I just had the same thing here at my campus. We were told to run, hide, duck, cover, and wait for the police to arrive. The most disturbing thing was the section on sexual assault and rape. They gave the great advice of peeing your pants and claiming you have a STD to make yourself seem less appealing. They also told us that if our life is in danger that we should go along with their demands, and wait for a way out.

I was furious to say the least.

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Ha Ha Ha. Pee your pants? Say you have an STD? Peeing your pants is liable to just get you beat worse, since Rape is more about Dominance and Humiliation, and less so about Sexual Gratification. the STD line will problably be met with a "Its fine, I have a condom on"

And as far as following demands? Unless they have a gun, I'm going to do my damnedest to do exactly the opposite of that.

I work on a major University and had a similar presentation after a shooting occurred across the street. Their lack of meaningful advice was almost more scary then the thought of an actual event.

The problem from the University POV is students. with over 50,000 on our campus the thought of most of them carrying is scary to the Admins and lawyers.

I love working at a University and this is one of the toughest issues facing them.... tough from all angles.

Go, it will be fun

First, read the colleges plan, it will be posted somewhere, usually buried with a ton of other pubs and documents on their website.

Then stick it to the guy, get him to admit that they will basically wait outside until everybody is dead.

I fell over laughing, I was talking to my local Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, and after 4 pages of suggested action, and half a page of double talk (it might be dangerous...) they kinda, halfway, sorta suggested that you MIGHT want to fight the guy who is going to kill you, but that it might lead to injuries

Funny, I'd rather fight and live than get shot in the back of the head.

Oh, and many campus (at least public universities) police are certified under the E.D. code, and have a broad like state troopers or are state troopers in everything but uniforms.

I got news for ya,

Even the army recommends hiding under your desk and not fighting back.

In my state, I am not allowed to be armed on a military post. At college, I AM. And I didn't need to be an Iraq veteran.

My wife's cousin went through this her freshman year in college. The advice of the gollege was to lock all of the doors and turn out the lights. You may also try to barricade any entrance with a large table.

They forgot to mention that many classes are taught in auditorium style rooms, with at least two entrances, and those tables are bolted in place.

In NC CC is forbidden at any educational institution. If you are dropping your kids off at high school, don't carry. It could be a felony charge. It does not matter that you drove up, idled, and left. It is completely illegal. Do you go to one of the major university medical centers in the state? Don't even put the gun in your car if you park on their property.

It doesn't matter that the Deck at Duke had warnings about incidents posted in the entrance. (They now are warnings about car break ins.) You still can not carry. It doesn't matter that just a couple of years ago there was a "string" of armed robberies at NCSU. You can not carry on campus.

A student was killed on Duke University. Later the murderer went on to help car jack, rob, and murder the UNC student body president. Yet we still deny these kids the right to carry. To me it is about much more than an active shooter, VT style, incident. It is about the fact that they are unarmed, and criminals are starting to take advantage of that situation.

Plus it effects the rest of us that might have to visit the campus. I have to take my father to medical apointments at a university hospital from time to time. That means I can not carry. I am not a student at that college, I do not live in their dorms, there is almost no chance one of their students wil get their hands on my gun. Yet, I can not carry. It makes no sense.

I would feign confusion and ask why their "no guns allowed" policy won't keep people with guns from assaulting the unarmed on campus.

Sort of the reverse of the popular "free condom" policy in public high schools ... apparently, we can't keep kids from having sex so we'll give them condoms to protect themselves.

If we can't keep armed madmen from coming on campus, why don't colleges hand out handguns and provide training so students can protect themselves?

That should get things rolling nicely.