Security at MMA match

The metal detectors didn't detect your gun?

Yes, many of those metal detectors at these events are just for show. If pocket knives and change, and large key rings are not setting them off, it's off or not working. It is used as a deterent is all.

many of those metal detectors at these events are just for show

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Shhh, one of the ninnies might hear you!

Ahh, "security theater" at its finest.

As long as OR law does not prohibit carrying a firearm in the venue, then you were fine.

Of course, if they had detected it and told you you couldn't carry it, you would have had to stay out or leave the gun outside as a matter of trespass law.

you did the correct thing. I would have done the same.

my ignorance about carrying at that venue after the wand detected my revolver, however the detector never went off, and I entered the venue.

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The detectors were beeping and flashing, but it was near my belt buckle, so I'm assuming they assumed

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So the detector did go off - sounds like operator error to me. You may have been in some trouble had you got in to an altercation while inside carrying. Was there alcohol being served? This was a public event so each state views it a little differently, but here in Fla you could be looking at trouble. Unfortunately any LEO will tell you ignorance is no excuse for not obeying the law.

from what ive seen.......when it comes to security guards....they typically break down into two categories....

the ones who honestly dont care.....and the ones that think they are task force recon operatives.


very rarely do you see one that does their job well.....

you must have gotten the "dont care" guard that night.

He said they were local law enforcement though - that's why I was kind of surprised they didn't follow up on the beeps. In Florida if you carry at a professional athletic event other than a firearms related event - you broke the law.

(12) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;

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I don't know what state your in though.

He said they were local law enforcement though - that's why I was kind of surprised they didn't follow up on the beeps.

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yeah........that is odd.........


however he did say the line was moving quickly..........and im going to assume that there was probably a good number of people.....and when your scanning lots of people fairly quickly.....it makes it really easy to "zone-out" and miss stuff youd probably pick up if you werent busy...

...or they could have ignored it to keep the egress of the line......

it makes it really easy to "zone-out" and miss stuff youd probably pick up if you werent busy...

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very true -

If it's legal, then there's no harm done. I couldn't find anything about professional sporting events.

yea- I see the OP is in Oregon. I have no idea how it works over there. I'm always very careful about going in to public events or concerts here in FL. I made it a point to know my states gun laws pretty darn well before carrying though. I don't need any hiccups on my record.

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yea- I see the OP is in Oregon. I have no idea how it works over there. I'm always very careful about going in to public events or concerts here in FL. I made it a point to know my states gun laws pretty darn well before carrying though. I don't need any hiccups on my record.

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Why?
Licensed concealed carry at concerts is perfectly legal in Florida.

Why?
Licensed concealed carry at concerts is perfectly legal in Florida.

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Because if they are licensed to sell alcohol it is not legal. Also each establishment will have it's own set of rules that may prohibit you from carrying. You have to be careful - or risk having your license revoked. I would love to know what concerts you go to that were legal to carry concealed on premises.

Unfortunately any LEO will tell you ignorance is no excuse for not obeying the law.

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Unless of course you are the government, or its representative, then there is no obligation that you know the law. It's called the good faith exception, amongst other things.

I walked through a metal detector last Saturday with my glock 19 in my hand, at the gun show - It did not go off. Security theater example 1.

Sunday I went to the airshow at the airforce base, some MP's were carrying M4's. Half of the M4's had no rear sights on them, no BUIS, no carry-handle, no optic, no nothing just an empty rail. I'll bet my bottom dollar all the M4's were unloaded too. Security theater example 2.

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Because if they are licensed to sell alcohol it is not legal. Also each establishment will have it's own set of rules that may prohibit you from carrying. You have to be careful - or risk having your license revoked. I would love to know what concerts you go to that were legal to carry concealed on premises.

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You are really confused about Florida's laws.

No I'm not. It's retarded to even debate this with you. It's clearly stated below. Also I said I'm careful I didn't say I never did it. You have to read before entering an establishment. You do it your way and I'll do it mine ie: the smart way. You can take your chances if you want but you know as well as I do things will not work out good for you if your caught carrying in a stadium concert or a bar. Also notice the asterisk* next to the restriction. That means could have added restrictions.

The following is a list of places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license. Please note that this is a simplified list. The places marked by an asterisk (*) may have exceptions or additional restrictions. See Section 790.06 (12), Florida Statutes for a complete listing.

any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
any courtroom*
any polling place
any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
any school administration building
any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption* any elementary or secondary school facility
any area technical center
any college or university facility*
inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law

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Don't worry I don't think anybody will mistake you for a lawyer - lol

Ledgehammer, you may want to check the actual Fl code on that one. IANAL, but the addendum to that in Fl Code section 790.06, subsection 12, is
"any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;"

Seems to me like the primary purpose of a sporting event is the sporting event, not the beer cart in the corner.

Again, IANAL, and I'm not in Florida so I don't know how the case law works. But the way the law is actually written suggests that as long as you're not in the bar section of the event, you're okay. If you're going to jump down someone's throat on an issue of law, "the smart way" is generally to quote the actual law. And if you're going to quote something, "the smart way" generally includes some sort of citation for where the information came from.

Like this: http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/FileStores/Web/Statutes/FS07/CH0790/Section_0790.06.HTM

You may also want to note that whatever source you used claims that an asterisk means there could be an added restriction or exemption; the exemption in this case is a facility that is not primarily devoted to serving alcohol.

That is all

sporting event is the sporting event

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Professional athletic events are also listed as restricted.

any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms

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Again when I'm in doubt I defer to the establishments signage. Trust me I don't enjoy being without my gun- I just enjoy being able to carry it legally a lot more.

Also if you do go to a concert you will undoubtedly have to walk through an area that sells alcohol. Bam - you just broke the restriction.

Got me on the sporting event.

Although I'd have to see some case law on walking through the area that sells alcohol. If it wasn't cordoned off and separate somehow from the rest of the concert (we have beer gardens in VA), then it would be a small part of the bigger stadium area, the primary purpose of which is not to sell alcohol.

Ledgehammer said:

Professional athletic events are also listed as restricted.



Again when I'm in doubt I defer to the establishments signage. Trust me I don't enjoy being without my gun- I just enjoy being able to carry it legally a lot more.

Also if you do go to a concert you will undoubtedly have to walk through an area that sells alcohol. Bam - you just broke the restriction.

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In Florida, signage restricting firearms carries no legal weight, unless the place the sign is posted at is specifically listed in the statutes as being a prohibited palce. What this means is that a city park, concert hall, restaurant or store can post a sign that says "No firearms/Weapons", but you would be committing no crime at all by carrying a concealed firearm into those places assuming you posses a valid Florida CWL. If the owners/staff somehow found that you were carrying a firearm, and asked you to leave, you would have to or else you would be trespassing and could be arrested, but an property owner can make you leave for any reason at all anyway, so its basically irrelevant.

As it was pointed out above, even though a concert may have vendors who are serving alcohol, its still a concert, not a bar, and therefore not an establishment who's main function is serving alcohol. It is not a prohibited carry location.

I agree with you in so far as how I feel the spirit of the law reads. I just don't like to leave the interperetation up to liberal judges. I may tend to lean on the extra careful side but I'm ok with that.

You can be tresspassed that is correct.