Glock 23 Gen4 FTE!!!

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I shot my brand new Glock today and I had one FTE out of 125 rounds. I've never had a FTE so I was fairly suprised and perplexed as to what exactly happened. I was shooting Winchester Bonded PDX 165 grain, and I fired a shot, and I noticed the trigger didn't reset and was all the way back. I first thought I had emptied my clip and my thumb had been sitting on the slide release causing the slide to return to it's position. I removed the clip and noticed it was not empty. I then turned the pistol to the side and racked the slide and the shell extracted. I looked around to make sure it wasn't a live round that came out, but I was unable to find a live round sitting in the pile of brass at the range. I believe that occured in the first or second clip. I also fired a box of Blazer 180 grain FMJ w/out any problems and two more boxes of Winchester Bonded 165 grain withoiut any further problems. I do have a pretty large cut on my trigger finger which didn't help my shooting today so I'm curious if I limp wristed it by some chance, but I'm not sure. The more I think about it, the more I'm confused as to what actually happened. Anyone ever had this problem? Any ideas? :confused:
 
The Gen 4's appear to need a break-in period. This is sad as Glocks have a reputation for out of the box reliability. One FTE isn't a big deal except that Glocks are supposed to be perfect.

Clean it, lube it, fire a few more rounds and you should be good to go.
 
Its a Gen 4 and a .40, I think the problem has been located j/k :D I've read and been told that over lubricating a glock is a no no and can cause that type of problem. Did you disassemble the gun and clean it before shooting it?
 
I did not disassemble or clean the gun prior to firing it.
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That could be it and/or the new, heavier recoil assemblies are a little too tight out of the box. Put on some work gloves and rack the slide 500 times or so to break the recoil springs in.

It seems to me that Glock, with their new recoil assembly, has possibly made their guns 1-ammo sensitive and 2-requiring a break in period. These are two things that Glocks are famous for not being/not needing. Kind of sad really.
 
As unlikely as it may be using factory defensive ammo, it sure sounds to me like you had a squib. That's the most logical explanation. With an empty case still in the chamber and the trigger not resetting, that's not a failure to eject. It would be quite a coincidence for both of these things to occur together. Which means the slide didn't even retract so much as 1/4". Was the next shot normal? You should probably inspect your barrel for a bulge. Or not. You might not like what you see. :(
 
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I'm kind of the same mindset with GLOOB; sounds like a possible squib load. Since you continued to shoot after that incident, obviously the bullet was not stuck in the barrel. Did you notice anything different when you fired that round? Did the recoil feel a little lighter, or did the report sound any different from the other rounds you fired?

Over the years I've experienced a number of squib loads (factory and reloads), and I always seem to remember that right after I fired it, I would think to myself: "You know, that last round didn't sound or feel quite right", even if the case ejected. Usually though, it's as you described; the slide doesn't cycle and the case is still in the chamber.
 
I have a gen 4 G23 with 900 rounds out of it. 600 of the 900 were Remington hollow points 100 round value pack which i was finding pretty cheap at the time and rather shoot them then range ammo. They also felt a little warmer then WWB range ammo. I had 0 problems till this weekend. I had a 50 round box of WWB 180 gr which shot fine and 100 round box of 165gr WWB. I never shot 165gr till the other day. It has been all 180gr. ammo. With the WWB 165gr. i had 2 failure to feed and 3 failures for the slide to lock back. Never had an issue till i shot 165gr. Maybe a fluke? Bad box of ammo? Before this 165gr crap, the gun shot great and i was satisfied. I'll be goin back to the range with a lot of ammo this weekend to see what happens.
 
Yea, i thought the same thing till the other day. I put about 800 or so rounds through my 23 untill i had an issue. Gun felt like the recoil was a little to soft with the 165gr. Im leaning more towards ammo related. My gen 4 G19 has 600 rounds through it and no probs. As far as the dual recoil spring. I like it. I do think if u get some light loads it will be an issue.
 
I went back to the range today with 250 rounds of Tulammo from walmart which everyone says is complete ****. Also shot 50 rounds of Federal HST's. Everything was all goooood.
All ammo fired was 180gr. No 165gr this time.
 
Yours may like the 180s better...at least until you've had more rounds through it to loosen it up. BTW, the Glock should NOT require any pre-clean or lube for the first 500 rounds.

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So...

Plenty of Glocks, regardless of their Generation number, have failures from time to time. Glock perfection is a marketing campaign, not reality.
 
Guess I was lucky...neither my 19 or 23 seemed to need one.
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despite witty remarks like this, there's no doubt that the gen4's are far more problematic than gen3's.



Anyone ever had this problem? Any ideas?
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the stronger recoil spring of the gen4 9mm AND 40cals mean they are far more sensitive to limp wrist malfunctions, at least until the spring loosens up.
 
Recoil spring is too stiff. Just run it more until it works...
 
They don't make 'em like they used to, trade it for a Gen3 and some piece of mind.
 
This really sounds like an ammo related problem from a squib or an underpowered round. There's not that much difference between the two models.

The doomsayers do keep the discussions lively around here, if a little bit repetitive.
 
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I shot my brand new Glock today and I had one FTE out of 125 rounds. I've never had a FTE so I was fairly suprised and perplexed as to what exactly happened. I was shooting Winchester Bonded PDX 165 grain, and I fired a shot, and I noticed the trigger didn't reset and was all the way back. I first thought I had emptied my clip and my thumb had been sitting on the slide release causing the slide to return to it's position. I removed the clip and noticed it was not empty. I then turned the pistol to the side and racked the slide and the shell extracted. I looked around to make sure it wasn't a live round that came out, but I was unable to find a live round sitting in the pile of brass at the range. I believe that occured in the first or second clip. I also fired a box of Blazer 180 grain FMJ w/out any problems and two more boxes of Winchester Bonded 165 grain withoiut any further problems. I do have a pretty large cut on my trigger finger which didn't help my shooting today so I'm curious if I limp wristed it by some chance, but I'm not sure. The more I think about it, the more I'm confused as to what actually happened. Anyone ever had this problem? Any ideas? :confused:
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I would not worry about FR of <1% regardless of its cause.
 
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