New to the forum. Which AR-15?

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I'm looking to buy my first AR-15. I don't want to spend an insane amount of money (no more than $900 is i can help it) but I want a quality firearm that will work and be reliable. Mil-Spec would be nice but not necessarily mandatory. And IMO you can never have too many picatinny rails :D But you people know more than me, I'm sure so i'll sit back and listen. What's the best quality AR-15 for the money and what would you all recommend?? Thanks in advance!
 
I have an LMT, which I purchased complete, and is better in just about every aspect as my service grade M16A2 I used when in the USMC, but for around $900, I'd go with a BCM upper and just about any decent (including BCM) lower. BCM, Noveske, LMT, DD = all good.

Even though middies are the flavor of the day, I'd have no problem with a carbine or middie setup.

The only problem I have with S&W M&P15 is that the barrel twist rate is 1 in 9, and that the warranty is one year, versus a lifetime warranty for the aforementioned rifles, along with a 1 in 7 rifle twist rate.
 
I have owned Bushy, M&P and Armalite. All three are excellent sporting rifles. The M&P was the highest quality in terms of build. But I also really liked the bushy and Armalite. I would not hesitate to recommend any of those three. I am a casual recreational shooter. That is my background with these rifles. Might be cool to get a Bushmaster while they are still made here:
http://www.smallarmsreview.com/pdf/Blackrifle.pdf
 
Any of the following that floats your fancy and is within your budget will serve you terrifically:
Colt 6920
Daniel Defense M4, any variant
LMT
BCM complete rifles (see below)

If those aren't within your budget, this list is very good and will be more than 99% of people need:
S&W M&P series
Armalite M15 models
Sabre Defence (arguably could be in the first list)
Spike's Tactical (ditto)
Stag Arms

Complete Stag lower, Complete BCM upper. You would get the best quality for a very good price.

This would also be a good approach.

Take a look at this chart:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pwswheghNQsEuEhjFwPrgTA&single=true&gid=5&output=html

1:9 twist is just fine for anyone asking the question the OP asked. Only if you are regularly using 75gr Hornady or 77gr SMK, or using M856 tracer in arctic conditions, do you actually need 1:7. Everyone else is well served by the 1:9 twist.
 
Complete Stag lower, Complete BCM upper. You would get the best quality for a very good price.
This will get you the best fighting type AR15 you can buy for 900 bucks. If you can get a BCM blemmish lower that would be great.

You could buy specific rifles that do specific tasks better, but you could not buy a better AR15 than a BCM.

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M4-16-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-m4-16.htm

That upper, including bolt carrier group and handguard is 550 bucks. A BCM blemmish lower is 275 dollars. Thats a complete basic, bet your life on, milspec AR-15 minus rear sight for 825 bucks.
 
1:9 twist is just fine for anyone asking the question the OP asked. Only if you are regularly using 75gr Hornady or 77gr SMK, or using M856 tracer in arctic conditions, do you actually need 1:7. Everyone else is well served by the 1:9 twist.

Yep. I have AR and similar rifles chambered in 5.56 or .223 with twists of 1:7 (Sig 556), 1:8(LaRue OBR), 1:9(S&W, Bushmaster), and 1:12 (Rem 700) and they all perform well with the standard 55gr FMJ loads a lot of people use. Twist rate is sometimes overblown.

As for which rifle to get, you got good advice above.
 
SW M&P is a 'best buy' at that price. Unless you are building your own it's hard to get a quality rifle for much cheaper.
 
"I want an AR-15, which is best?" is really too vague.

What is the target, at what range, in what environment, for 85% of what will really happen?

Don't worry about the brand, concentrate on the features you need. "Can't have too many Picitinny rails." says a lot, the government supplier, KAC, has already said the quad rail IS too many rails for the average shooter. Who needs 48" of rail? The statement implies a lot of enthusiasm for a military look rifle without a corresponding understanding of why some things are included.

Sights vs. Optics is just one consideration. Look at all the hunting, varmint, and precision rifles out there, very few come with iron sights as backup. It's been common since the 60's to delete iron sights on scoped rifles as redundant and dead weight. If the AR is being used in the same way, the same reasoning applies - delete the irons. Grandpa did exactly that sporterizing the old 98K's and other milsurps, too.

Rather than just suggest a fanboy brand, figure out what's important and get the features you need:

Barrel length:
Matching gas action:
type of upper, flattop or carry handle:
sights and optics the upper restricts you to:
type stock that matches the barrel length and sights:
which handguard or free float:
trigger:
controls, if enhanced:

With selections made in that order, the gun sorts out pretty quick, and will be the optimum for what it's supposed to do.

You don't pick a 14.5" barrel for long distance precision shooting, and then slap a sniper stock on it, or go 20" for varmint, and add a CAR (which is actually pictured in forums more often than I can believe.) Select the features that match the job, not the fantasy, and do that selection keeping in mind what the gun does 85% of the time, NOT what you would like to stretch it to do the other 15%.

Put together all the 15% options in an all purpose gun, you get something that doesn't do anything well, and comes off looking like a cross between a dachshund and shepherd. Guns are built to meet tasks, not exist as a collection of primo parts showcasing a credit card limit. Too many AR owners don't see that, but they sure post up great examples of it.

What's funny is that the standard we compare to is a boring recipe of listed parts: Colt barrel, Colt upper, Colt lower, Colt stock, etc. Or swap Colt for FN. On the internet, tho, you get a list that sounds like a Baskin Robbins menu, and the game seems to be not ever doing a Brand Name supplier more than once.

Don't be one of those with more credit card than knowledge of what's really needed. Most of this stuff is designer grade anyway.
 
I've got two Rock River Arms AR's and couldn't be happier. A couple of friends bought DPMS and are currently trying to sell them due to malfunctions, etc.
 
I forgot to mention, the Rock River AR's have a Wylde chamber which will allow you to shoot 5.56 or Rem. .223. Many AR's will handle Rem. .223 but not the 5.56 due to higher pressures. If that's important. ?
 
It is hard to find a current production AR that will not handle 5.56. Most come with 5.56 chambers now with a few manufacturers also doing some mods (Wylde, etc).
 
Tirod,

Excellent post, I could not have said it half as well, though I was thinking along those lines.

I basically followed Tirod's methodology to arrive at my own perfect AR. So if you are able to provide more details, we can help to further narrow down your choices.
 
I think the best strategy is to figure out what features you want and then buy the brand that has those features. The good news is that there just aren't a lot of bad brands in ARs these days; however, they don't all have the same features, even though they look very similar.

It is hard to find a current production AR that will not handle 5.56. Most come with 5.56 chambers now

A more accurate statement would be "most are marketed as having 5.56 chambers now"; however, if you actually grab a 5.56 gauge and check, there are quite a few barrels out there stamped 5.56 NATO that do not have 5.56 NATO chambers.
 
I have an M&P Tactical and it's been an absurdly accurate and reliable weapon. I'd suggest it for anyone. What are you planning on using it for?

Also, good luck in the Sugar Bowl. This Aggie will be calling the hogs when the time comes! Haha
 
I agree with Tirod that you really need to define the features that matter to you prior to just buying a brand name based on reputation. Most AR-15's are quite reliable these days for average use, but if you are looking for a heavy use gun, more "mil-spec" is the direction to go. If you want accuracy, less "mil-spec" is the way to go.

In your price range, for an accuracy first gun I would look at a stainless barrel (bull, heavy, etc) and build around that. Rock River, BCM and Spikes offer reasonably priced options for this purpose. DPMS and Bushmaster may also be viable for this purpose.

If you want a heavy use "mil-spec" gun, a chrome lined barrel and a good BCG are what you want to emphasize. In your price range, you cannot beat Spikes Tactical, with the possible exception of buying a lower of your choice and a Daniel Defense upper from smartgunner.com. I believe that sale is ongoing for another 2 days or so. BCM will cost a bit more but is more customizable at order time. S&W also makes an excellent AR, but is middle of the pack in terms of the chart. For my money, I would go Spikes over Smith and BCM, but the quality margins between the guns are such that it would be hard to go wrong with any of them.
 
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