Are SIgs worth the price

For the price and purpose i go with the m&p

Who wants to carry around a bunch of metal that isn't going to get deployed 99% of the time. The only sig model that would appeal to me would be the p290 but for there price they can take a walk. What sig model has the weight and the price that the m&p has? They dont............

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And again using your completely subjective criteria you have chosen a weapon that works for you. Please remind me how that translates directly to anyone else?

You don't like a metal gun. I do. So based on that subjective criteria I will choose say a BHP over your M&P. I do not need swap out plastic panels because the BHP fits and points naturally with the stock grips, naviderix or the spegels.

You do not seem to understand that there is no one universal pistol for all. That is a good thing not a bad one. You are never going to convince anyone that choice is not a good thing. You are also not going to convince anyone that your subjective criteria is a universal truth. Your likes and dislikes do not apply to anyone but you. You can give reasons why you like or dislike a pistol and based on the intelligence and the thought process you present some might listen. Others might not.

Again you seem to like your M&P based on your seeing it before you touched it, your subjective observations, the fact your girl friend likes to shoot it and what the oldtimer LEOs shoot at your range. For that I give you a big thumbs up but I hate to break it to you it really is only meaningful for you.

I wouldn't say all that. last i checked no one liking lugging a .50 cal machine gun around so why would you still carry it if they have a plastic one?

I'm getting at the fact

SIG - you get the pick of SRT(garbage) DA/SA or just DAK(garbage too)

M&P - Thumb safety, magazine safety, no safety

SIG - If it doesn't fit in your hand your SOL, find another Sig model they love just selling tons of guns to the same person.....

M&P - Will fit your hand regardless, also i can use a full size magazine and turn it into a full size gun

Who would spend the money on buying two guns when you could get that all in one and in a lighter cheaper package? Plus its a Smith, I'm guessing you drive a beamer

Score is

S&W 1, SIG 0

I wouldn't say all that. last i checked no one liking lugging a .50 cal machine gun around so why would you still carry it if they have a plastic one?

I'm getting at the fact

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You have posted very little fact. You have posted lots of opinion. I own polymer guns. I do not carry a single one of them. I do carry a Commander 1911, BHP, Sig P228 and a CZ P01. All of them are heavier than some of their polymer brethren but I choose to carry them because those are the ones I shoot best. There are millions of people who make the same choice.

Again I hate to break it to you is that the facts you think you are getting at are nothing but personal opinion. Please stop treating them like universal truth.

SIG - you get the pick of SRT(garbage) DA/SA or just DAK(garbage too)

M&P - Thumb safety, magazine safety, no safety

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DA/SA is perfect for me. The SRT is a fine trigger. The DAK is not my cup of tea but people who were long time revolver shooters love it.

M&P is a avg trigger IMHO and with its 6/12 lb trigger why would you need a thumb safety? Mag safeties IMHO are for lawyers and legislators not guns. If I had to have a M&P it would be no safety.

SIG - If it doesn't fit in your hand your SOL, find another Sig model they love just selling tons of guns to the same person.....

M&P - Will fit your hand regardless, also i can use a full size magazine and turn it into a full size gun

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This is not true of polymer Sigs. They have 3 different grip panels for the Sp2022. There are multiple frames for the P250. Also fit in your hand has a lot more to do with grip size. IMHO. Things like trigger reach. Bore axis, trigger guard, trigger length, trigger shape, trigger materials, trigger pull weight, trigger reset etc... the list of subjective criteria that make up fit in your hand is almost endless. The reality is that some work and some don't for every individual. There is not universal no matter how many grips panels you can swap out.

Who would spend the money on buying two guns when you could get that all in one and in a lighter cheaper package? Plus its a Smith, I'm guessing you drive a beamer

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The Sig Pro costs less than the M&P. So does the P250. I am not a fan of the P250 but some people like them which goes to the heart of the discussion. Different strokes for different folks. I do not drive a Beamer. I do own a 560 SEC Mercedes Benz, an Audi A8 and VW GTI but I am not sure how that is relevant to which gun I prefer.

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S&W 1, SIG 0

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Based on a completely subjective criteria. Based on mine not so much.

Oh man here we go. I'm getting at the fact that M&P appeals to a way bigger market. Your just putting your own advice in.

Someone wouldn't buy Sig because of no safety. funny how you say who needs a external safety the only people who still use them is WW2 vets and people who think the 45 is far Superior and the 1911 is still king!

Someone will buy a M&P because they have the option, Sig Pro was a fail and everyone knows it. It was never used by anyone and now they brought it back and not even in 357 SIG! Where the hell do you buy your M&P's i pay 455 OTD.... Sigs go for a upwards of 600 plus!

Ever heard of Randy lee At apex?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SLsA7lnUus

If your sig trigger breaks can you still fire it? I think not

heres your good old sig made in germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtB2UjsJXV4&playnext=1&list=PL091D8EA935055CF4&index=91

Google it!


p.s i would to set up a M&P VS SIG match any south Florida takers? Or am i forced to rent one and let my buddy shoot against me?

Course of fire, draw, fire, reload person who has the most hits in the center wins in the fastest amount of time.

I'm getting at the fact that M&P appeals to a way bigger market... Someone will buy a M&P because they have the option, Sig Pro was a fail and everyone knows it. It was never used by anyone and now they brought it back and not even in 357 SIG! Where the hell do you buy your M&P's i pay 455 OTD.... Sigs go for a upwards of 600 plus!

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In your mind maybe. It does not appeal to me at all. You continue misrepresent subjective opinion for objective fact.

So you posted a link to Randy Lee. I could post a link to Gray guns and we can see what he is doing with Sigs. Who cares?

The Sig Pro exists because they sold a crap load of them under contract to the French police. They did not sell well initial because they did not appeal to the hard core Sig shooters who like of all things metal guns.

They now seem to sell quiet well. They sell for $399 here. http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-pro-handguns/ They sell for $345 + shipping here http://www.securityarms.com/astore/agoracart55/agora.cgi?p_id=00014&name=Sig P2022 Pistol&xm=on They sell for $399+ tax at your local Academy sports..... Even with transfer these all get out the door at under $425.

I buy most of my Sig used... in places like this. http://www.thehighroad.org/forumdisplay.php?f=22

Yes I know they are worth the extra money.
There are many auto's that will shoot and work every time.
But there is only one Sig.
S&W's are very fine firearms, but they are not a SIG.
Rugers are very fine firearms, But they are not a SIG.
The list goes on.
A ford pinto will get you there and do a very fine job. But it is not a Cadillac.
If you want a auto that will work and do a good job buy one . If you want one that is top of the line buy a SIG.

So you posted a link to Randy Lee. I could post a link to Gray guns and we can see what he is doing with Sigs. Who cares?

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No i asked you a direct question. IF your trigger breaks can you still fire it?

DEAHEAT said:

I stated why Sig isn't all cracked up and how the M&P line is better, no one even gave me a rebuttal?

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Rellascout seems to have, but I imagine he's kicking himself for that now. You don't like SIG. We get it.

rella stop trying, you've listed all the reasons and logics and facts but deaheat is either a troll or just numbskulled.

"everyone knows that Sig Pro is a failure"

really? I think they're pretty neat for the price

I'll take this any day

(STEVEN SEGALS GUN)

Over this


Who even buys Sig 1911's?

Just found this thread, Sig pro Dishwasher safe LOL

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143766&referrerid=36767

I have managed to get all manner of sand and grit in my Sig Pro this past weekend. Just removing the slide and hearing the grit sound makes me cringe. I can clean the slide, barrel and such the normal way, but I was wondering if it is safe to wash the frame in the dishwasher with mild soap and on heat cycle? This isn't something to do everytime, but I've never had a grittier pistol and the grit doesn't come off easy when stuck to grease and oil.

We used to wash our M16's out with boiling hot water in the mess hall, and it really de-gritted the rifle and removed a lot of carbon. Then we'd clean as usual leaving a light coat of oil.

What do you guys think?

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An officer friend of mine routinely runs a dishwasher cycle using dishwasher liquid, to clean his Glock 22. The pistol is dissassembled, placed in the silverware basket, and run through the washing cycle. Yes, I have personally seen it done. Yes, it makes me cringe. Yet, he has done this consistently for yrs. After completely drying the pistol, he lubes and assembles it, and puts it back in its holster. He hasn't done any of his other firearms this way...just the Glock. And no, I don't recommend this practice in the least.

Slabside

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After reading that go ahead buy the Sig i'm done

No i asked you a direct question. IF your trigger breaks can you still fire it?

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You do realize that is not a real Sig pistol in that video.....

You do realize that is not a real Sig pistol in that video.....

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This all-german made 9mm Sig Sauer P226SL had experienced a DA/SA problem after 500 shots.
As you can see on the video, the hammer de-cock on its own when lightly disturbed.
The problem was the hammer cog, which contacted the sear. It was not shallow enought and the conncetion between the hammer and the sear was too weak.

The problem is solved long time ago.
The hammer and the sear were replaced with new ones.
No new issues since then.

Very funny but look at the trigger as he pulls the slide back........... Airsoft guns dont do that buddy!

I own a Sig SP2340 (.40 & .357Sig) and a Sig P239DAK (also in .40 & .357Sig) and love them both. IMO, they shoot better than my Glock 19, and have been absolutely reliable. A friend of mine has an XD40, which is ok (I can shoot it better than he can), but last time we where at the range, he shot a group with his XD, then shot a group with my P239, and the group shot with my P239 was WAY better. Was it all in the gun? Maybe. Maybe not. YMMV. IMO, Sigs are worth the price. My next one will be a P229 (That Homeland Security model is nice, but the Equinox is really nice).

Sig pro wouldn't even be considered because of its size but they are great guns. Who used them the French need i say more?

OMG! A Single pistol out of millions produced had a problem and someone recorded it and put it on youtube? That convinced me, SIGs are total junks and not worth my money

the British SAS, US army, navy(seals loves their p226), coast guard, the DEA, the federal air marshals, the FBI, the Secret Service, damn they must be out of their freaking minds when they adopted the Sig P series pistols

why am i even trying?

OMG! A Single pistol out of millions produced had a problem and someone recorded it and put it on youtube? That convinced me, SIGs are total junks and not worth my money

the British SAS, US army, navy(seals loves their p226), coast guard, the DEA, the federal air marshals, the FBI, the Secret Service, damn they must be out of their freaking minds when they adopted the Sig P series pistols

why am i even trying?

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thank you finally i know the seals use the p226 but they also have NAVY edition made for them and that goes for upwards of 800! Were comparing Sig Poly to Smith Poly, lets also talk about the recall they had on the 238's people walking around with loaded guns and the safety didnt even work! Only recall i know of s&w having was when there internal locks were engaging when they weren't suppose to i guess that could also get you killed....

thank you finally i know the seals use the p226 but they also have NAVY edition made for them and that goes for upwards of 800! Were comparing Sig Poly to Smith Poly, lets also talk about the recall they had on the 238's people walking around with loaded guns and the safety didnt even work! Only recall i know of s&w having was when there internal locks were engaging when they weren't suppose to i guess that could also get you killed....

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You do know that the Sig Navy is nothing but a P226 with a phosphate coats mags and an anchor on the side?

Is the P238 a poly? Last time I checked it was a redo of the all metal Colt mustang.

Also if you look closely at that video there is a dimple in front of the decocker. No way that is a real Sig. Even if it is you have one defective gun. Again a subjective single event which you are attempting to present as universal.

I purchased a Sig P220 SRT earlier in 2010...I bought it because I wanted two things; a reliable full size combat sidearm in .45 and a .22lr conversion for cheap practice.
I actually bought the P220 in .22lr for $499 and used the coupon to get the .45 X-Change kit for $299.
$800 was reasonable for this setup. Outside of the .22 being a little ammo picky at first, the pistol has been amazingly good. The .45 has had no failures or hic-ups of any kind, will eat anything and its got to be one of the most comfortable and point-able .45s I've ever shot. In .22 it runs 100% on CCI Mini-Mags and Blazer(what I feed it) makes a great plinker, practice and .22 plate gun.(there's a local .22 only match I like to shoot when I can)
So for me the Sig was worth its price and I'm very happy with the setups.

I use to own a P220 about 10 years ago. Decent gun, but I never really warmed up to it. Personally at this time, I would only buy a CPO Sig (or private sale) made in West Germany.

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Like i said Ignorant people

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He wasn't being sincere, he was mocking the methods which you support your arguements. There are very few people on this board who've shown such lack of substance in their posts that I felt the need to mute them, but you've managed.

Someone mentioned weight, somewhere in these posts, as a negative. Well, I like a bit of heft in a pistol; it can aid in pointabilty, helps to steady things when the shot is fired, and helps dampen recoil, especially when shooting one-handed. My hand is often otherwise occupied when I point guns at people, and yes, I do it often enough to know this.

Even if one uses only sighted fire, a weapon that points more naturally is ahead of the game when the sight picture is acquired.

I had no trouble toting an all-steel 5" 1911 for both police duty and personal-time carry, when my employer's rules still offered me that choice. My P229R is a flyweight compared to the 1911.

He wasn't being sincere, he was mocking the methods which you support your arguements. There are very few people on this board who've shown such lack of substance in their posts that I felt the need to mute them, but you've managed.

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Thank you sir, that means a lot to me. I have been shooting since i was 11, i do know a thing or two and have been around Sig, Colt, H&K's for a very long time. I don't want people to get the idea that i'm just some 21 year old who talks out his you know what!

Someone mentioned weight, somewhere in these posts, as a negative. Well, I like a bit of heft in a pistol; it can aid in pointabilty, helps to steady things when the shot is fired, and helps dampen recoil, especially when shooting one-handed. My hand is often otherwise occupied when I point guns at people, and yes, I do it often enough to know this. Even if one uses only sighted fire, a weapon that points more naturally is ahead of the game when the sight picture is acquired. I had no trouble toting an all-steel 5" 1911 for both police duty and personal-time carry, when my employer's rules still offered me that choice. My P229R is a flyweight compared to the 1911.

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I'm sure everyone loves the weight of a nice metal gun such as a Sig. Your able to fire it and the metal frame just soaks up the recoil. But most of our daily lives we dont use our gun 99% of the time. And also me being the size frame i am i wouldn't want a metal gun. M&P is heavy enough as it is with 13 black hills 124's. I guess it all comes down to you. Best thing you can do is go to the range and try them out. I knew the M&P and me were destined it be with each other. I did my research online and was sent on buying one before i even shot it. Best part i took it out the first time and was putting holes through holes at 7+ yards. Also i'm sick of hearing about the floppy trigger its not floppy at all but its not glock trigger. If you would like i could make a video showing the trigger movement.

RAS13 said:

I am considering a Sig Sour 229 9mm what make it worth the extra 400.00 over a S&W M&P or a RugarSR9

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When I was looking for my first auto-loading handgun two years ago and I asked this exact same question. We can argue all day but in the end you have to pick up and shoot each gun and pick the one you like best. It really is a Chevy/Ford kind of decision. All three are good. Which do you like better?

Having said all that, I bought the Sig P229 Stainless Elite (9mm). I liked the way the gun felt in my hand. I liked the way it looked. It had a solid reputation as a durable and accurate gun. I have shot over 10,000 rounds through my gun and have never had a misfire or jam (I am not counting the time my wife loaded the ammo in the magazine backwards).

Reliable. Accurate. Easy to breakdown and clean. And it's pretty.