Has the 115gr fallen out of favor?

Has the 115gr defensive ammo fallen out of favor?

  • Yes

    Votes: 60 38.7%
  • No

    Votes: 87 56.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 8 5.2%

  • Total voters
    155
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I carried 115 gr. winchester rangers for awhile. they were good but a buddy of mine let me shoot some 124 gr. +p golddots and i fell in love with em, i switched over but i wouldn't hesitate to go back, aint nothing wrong with 115 gr. loads especially with bullet tech today.
 
I'm carrying the Winchester 127+p+ in my 9mms right now, but I wouldn't feel undergunned if I had them loaded with good ol' Federal 9BP 115 grain. (And, no, I have no "relevant data" to support this opinion...:rolleyes:)
 
And the question remains, do YOU think the 115gr has fallen "out of favor", however you define that. I contend it is likely the most oft purchased but for practice. I believe, perhaps errantly, that LE in general has long ago embraced heavier bullets or moved on to the next big thing, 40 S&W.

I think a big factor in people choosing heavy for caliber bullets comes from bench rest shooters who rely on their knockdown power at long distances. I wonder if there is data to support similar performance at handgun velocities.


1. There are less agencies using 115gr than before because so many agencies have moved to .40 S&W or other larger calibers.

2. There were also some agencies that moved to 147gr ammo that performed better on car windshields and other barriers. Some FBI agents I dealt with were issued 147gr Hydra-shock for this reason (these were guys who opted to keep their 9mm weapons after the Bureau switched to .40 S&W).

3. Then there is the NYPD, which has carried 124gr +P gold dots for years, and the many agencies who carry the same round because NYPD does/had success with it.

4. I don't think the 115gr+p+ round has fallen out of favor so much as it doesn't corner the market anymore. Its like TV now. There aren't 3 main networks anymore. There are several hundred channels now, so the market is fractured. No one bullet weight clearly dominates. For 9mm, my guess is the 124gr +p is the most dominant, but that's really an educated guess.

5. Many large agencies still carry the 115gr +p+ load because it works. A few years ago, there were many LE shootouts involving this one agency that carries the bple. Every bad guy shot with it died. All of them. Granted, that's not a statistical sample and is only anecdotal, but I don't know of any agencies that have been disappointed in any of the major manufacturer 115gr +p+ loads. I know the Illinois State Police has had many,many shootings and has been very pleased with it. I believe they also carry the Winchester version of the load, which I think is identical to the bple.

6. My guess is that it will eventually be reduced to a niche load, as the .40 continues to grow and ammunition makers continue to offer new products. But I suspect someone will always be making a version of it, the same way someone is always making the .38 spl "FBI load", 158gr LSWCHP (another wonderful load that performs beyond its paper ballistics).
 
I never thought of it as being in favor. My guns shoot 124 grain ammo better and everyone I know prefers that weight.
 
rellascout:
I do not think that they have fallen out of favor. I think if you were to poll the "real" shooting population not just enthusiasts like you find here on this site you will find the vast majority are still using 115 gr hollows.

I agree.
I also suspect the vast majority of professional 9mm users (law enforcement & military)use heavier bullets.
I also like the 124gr best.
 
Generally speaking the ballistic testing I've seen with most 115 grain bullets have left me cold. The +P+ ammo tests I've seen from a few years ago didn't impress me much, even in denim tests. This could be a matter of bullet construction, which could be improved by now. My preference is for 124 grain bullets in general, with 147 grain bullets a close second.
 
I like 124 gr. +P. Good combo of bullet mass and muzzle velocity, IMO.
 
Used to feel kind of alone years ago in my preference for 124-127gr., everyone always was either a 115gr. or 147gr. fanboy. Now everyone agrees with me, I'm not sure if that's good or bad. :scrutiny:

I would like to see a nice 147gr. +P Ranger load come to market. And I'm not talking about those bonded white label reject rounds from awhile back..
 
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