Family friend in shoot-out

Good for him!

Rick has been there, done that, and lived to tell the tale. We should all be that fortunate if we find ourselves in the same situation.

Personally, I would have let them go without further gun play after they started backing out the door. I would have been more interested in identifying the make and model of the car as well as memorizing the license plate.

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Good for him!

Rick has been there, done that, and lived to tell the tale. We should all be that fortunate if we find ourselves in the same situation.

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Amen

He's just a guy who refused to be a victim and who refused to lose.

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That right there is the only part that counts. Well done 'Rick.'

Rick did what most hope for....man up, get into the fight, SURVIVE! They brought it...too bad for them.

'Atta boy.

Mark

He's just a guy who refused to be a victim and who refused to lose.

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That right there is the only part that counts.

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I disagree. "Rick's" 'pursuit' was arguably quite reckless. Has he accounted for all his shots and where they impacted?

"I disagree. "Rick's" 'pursuit' was arguably quite reckless. Has he accounted for all his shots and where they impacted?" Sigh...................

Personally, I would have let them go without further gun play after they started backing out the door. I would have been more interested in identifying the make and model of the car as well as memorizing the license plate.

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Ya know...........you can have all kinds of plans, but the reality is.........when the adrenalin hits you, you don't know how you will react.

It's my fervent hope that I would be able to do as well as Rick did. I've put a great amount of time and training into it, but you just don't know until you're there.

I disagree. Under certain conditions it is impossible to determine where all the lead goes. I am rather confident that the average police officer would have done no better. I am also rather confident that soldiers in the field would perhaps done a better job returning fire, but I seriously doubt they would have been able to tell you where every bullet went. (Because if they damn well could account for every round and knew exactly where each one went, we would have a body count from police and soldiers equal to the number of rounds fired. Go check. Historically, there is a really high round/body count (discarding people like snipers or hit men or something.)

Now, why would I bring that up? Because police and infantry are paid to be able to shoot at bad guys shooting back. A civilian, with no training, performed on par with 'trained' police and soldiers. He stood his ground, defended what he had to. That really is the end of the story. And if the police didn't charge him, I'm going to say that the liability for non-located lead is more of a concern for a chainsaw or local food-chain.

I really, really doubt that an average person is even capable of being trained to respond on the level that you seem to expect, Creature. If shots were still coming in, the encounter isn't over. (And even if he had that 'operator' level of training, I don't think he is going to have a lot of time or money left over after operating his store when he spent his free time and money shooting.)

In the end, he faced the situation. He survived, he did not kill an innocent bystander. If some thug bleeds out because he is scared to go the hospital... that saves tax dollars for things that deserve them. Not to mention, knowing that the owner is armed and SHOOTS BACK might discourage a few ne'er-do-wells from attempting an encore or a copycat.

Creature, that sort of criticism - calling someone reckless - gets taken rather personal in situations like these. How about you back off?

I would have ducked behind cover as I drew my weapon. Using cover, I would have fired two shots to the exact COM of each assailant, followed by one to the medulla oblongata. Ducking back behind cover, I would have performed a tactical reload and then checked for additional assailants. Following this, I would calmly call 911 and then my lawyer. {end sarcasm}

The thoughts going through any normal person's mind will be:

1. Survival
2. Survival
3. Survival

Some where after number three would be round count/accountability.

Not one of us knows how we would react. Even those who have BTDT know only how they reacted last time.

I disagree. "Rick's" 'pursuit' was arguably quite reckless. Has he accounted for all his shots and where they impacted?

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Ya know...........you can have all kinds of plans, but the reality is.........when the adrenalin hits you, you don't know how you will react.

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ya, what cz said. you just dont know what you will do in a scrape, till you are in it.

glad rick is unhurt.

also,,,, right or wrong,,,,, i'm kinda glad they picked ole' rick to terrorize, seein' as how rick seems to have a little terrior in him as well.

When the POPs are right by you (sonic booms of incoming rounds) it changes the game entirely. Yes you hear them! Yes you think about them and then you react something like this- OH <deleted> someone is shooting at me!!!!!!!! Then if you do what ever you do!!! Way to go RICK!!!!!

Personally, I would have let them go without further gun play after they started backing out the door. I would have been more interested in identifying the make and model of the car as well as memorizing the license plate.

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With my limited experience with high adrenaline circumstances, I find it difficult to remember much (I normally just remember big details, not small ones). Others may not experience this, but I think that it would be very difficult to memorize a license plate number while being shot at.

Personally, I would have let them go without further gun play after they started backing out the door. I would have been more interested in identifying the make and model of the car as well as memorizing the license plate.

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I completely don't understand why people wanna let BG's get away. I know many will disagree with this, but I always figured if someone was robbing me at gun point they have and or will do it to others. If I can make sure I'm they're last attempted victim, I will. otherwise it will be one of these women and children you hear about. Rick gets a big pat on the back from me

Rick's got my vote/support

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I like Rick.. He did what one is supposed to do in an armed robbery attempt via, guts, right over wrong, not becoming a victim, and not having to feel like he had been raped (violated) with the very same type weapon pointing at him - his gun.

This man simply put his foot down, "it stops here and now" and I believe he "knew the layout of the surrounding land.. " wide open spaces as described above by one that knows both Rick and the store's whereabouts and surroundings out front.

It's all good-enough for me,


Ls

Prayers for Rick that is a tough thing to go through!

every one says they would've done this and that and that he may have acted in a reckless manner but if youve ever been face to face with a man with a gun you act on pure instinct

I vote for Rick too! One of the best photos I saw from the LA riots was a Korean shopowner in front of his store letting fly with a 1911 at looters. If more people refused to back off there'd be a lot less crime. I don't know how I'd react in a similar case but at least I have a chance to do what I think is the right thing since I carry. Whether I screwed it up or did it right won't be known until and if that time comes.

Good for Rick!
Too easy for others to criticise.
Up here in Canada you're most likely to be charged if you defend yourself the way he did. The fact that you can even hold such a discussion in the US underscores the fact that you are lucky to be living in a free country where such possibilities even exist.