Tokarev 7.62x25

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Hello everyone, I was looking at some pistols the other day and I decided to look at some C&R pistols. One interesting pistol I came across is the Yugo Tokarev M57 TT. It looks like an interesting little pistol. I wanted to know, if any of you guys own one, how does it shoot? Is it reliable? Is it fun to plink with? (I saw the ammo on this thing is DIRT cheap about 1260 rounds for 90$) Going back to ammo, the 7.62x25.. how is it in terms of power compared to say, a 9mm or .45 ACP? And since this is surplus ammo that is 1260 rounds for 90$ does it feed ok (going back to reliability) thanks ahead guys
 
I wanted to know, if any of you guys own one, how does it shoot?
typically very nicely.
Is it reliable?
The few I've shot, have been.
Is it fun to plink with?
Yep.
how is it in terms of power compared to say, a 9mm or .45 ACP?
Light bullet at high velocities, it's most comparable to a .357 Sig.
And since this is surplus ammo that is 1260 rounds for 90$ does it feed ok (going back to reliability)
Being a bottlenecked cartridge, its design lends itself to outstanding feed reliability.
 
I don't have a Tokarev so no comment on it's function, but I do have a CZ-52 which also shoots 7.62x25mm.

It barks quite a bit. Very high velocity and huge muzzle blast. Mine slings brass like crazy. The bullet is very light but moving very fast so defensively you're looking at overpenetration issues, but if you just want a nice big bang it's nice :). Apparently the round is capable of punching through some types of body armor.

One thing to note - if I'm not mistaken most of the uber-cheap ammo available is corrosive. No problem - it should shoot fine - just be prepared to clean it well.

PS Where are you still seeing the bulk ammo for sale? I've not seen it at the usual places I shop at lately.
 
Hello everyone, I was looking at some pistols the other day and I decided to look at some C&R pistols. One interesting pistol I came across is the Yugo Tokarev M57 TT. It looks like an interesting little pistol. I wanted to know, if any of you guys own one, how does it shoot? Is it reliable? Is it fun to plink with? (I saw the ammo on this thing is DIRT cheap about 1260 rounds for 90$) Going back to ammo, the 7.62x25.. how is it in terms of power compared to say, a 9mm or .45 ACP? And since this is surplus ammo that is 1260 rounds for 90$ does it feed ok (going back to reliability) thanks ahead guys

They shoot well enough. The triggers aren't great and the sights are crummy, but they're great fun.

Reliable? I own a TT33 and a M57, both are reliable. No worries in that department.

Fun? One of the most fun pistols out there. Loud, shoots a fireball out the front. A blast for sure.

Power? In terms of muzzle energy, the 7.62x25 is on par with the best 9mm or 45acp loads. Real world performance shows it to be a great penetrator -- box of truth did a test where the 7.62x25 can get through a kevlar helmet, but a 9mm, 45, and even a 357 can not. I haven't seen an actual test, but the 7.62x25 can purportedly get through basic body armor.

The surplus ammo feeds fine. It's the ammo the guns were designed to use.

Buy one. You won't regret it.
 
I have one, very accurate and dependable it has become a current favorite of mine. It's great fun at the range and gets lots of attention due to it's loud report and BIG muzzle flash. I would definitely want a low flash loading if I was going to carry it for defense at night! Recoil is pretty mild and has a good trigger with no perceptible movement once you take up the slack. The add on safety is crap but the half cock works great, with hollow points I would definitely trust it for a carry gun.
 
Thanks for all the answers guys! And Mgmorden: I have been looking at ammo from J&G sales I will put a link up... it says cracked necks are common..thats seems like a problem! I don't know how many you can expect to have that problem but it is dirt cheap! http://www.jgsales.com/product_info...mj-1260rd-in-can/cPath/25_28/products_id/3145 One other question on this thing, I read somewhere but I can not recall for the life of me where I saw this but it said that the TT33 can shoot something like a 7.63x something round..Sorry for the lack of details on this but maybe someone knows what I'm talking about
 
Got a Polish TT-33 and it's a smooth shooting powerful semi auto with a big boom and blue muzzle flash. Very accurate, reliable and easy to carry. I wish the aftermarket safety was a sear block but whatever. I carry mine on empty chamber but I think it was originally meant to carry with round in chamber on half cock. Got to love those Russians.
 
Toks as a gun are great; I have two. I love the caliber, too, and thus own two CZ 52s as well. With FMJ, you can shoot right through a new, treated 6X6. If you'd like exit wounds the size of a nickel, Wolf makes a killer hollowpoint for them.

They're not C&R but someday, you may want to give the Norinco ones a try. They're built a little better and use a harder steel. Since they got here for commercial sale when the ammo was very hard to find, most of them are in great shape.* My 9MM one was like new for $200 and the 7.62 gun was unused, in the box, for $about $230 or $260, I forget which.


* The Com Bloc service pistols may have had decades of use and questionable maintenence. They may "re-arsenal" them before they dump 'em here but that seems to be more for appearance's sake. I'd rather have a tight gun, thus my preference for the Norincos.
 
I carry mine on empty chamber but I think it was originally meant to carry with round in chamber on half cock.

Is there a safe way to get a round into the chamber and half cock it? The only way I've been able to figure out is to rack the slide, loading the round and bringing the hammer to full cock, and then trying to hold the hammer and gently lower it while pulling the trigger. I wouldn't mind that so much if I loaded it at the range, but at home I'll end up with a hole in my floor if I slip.
 
Is it fun to plink with?

"Heck yes" would be an understatement. Besides the destructive effect of those speedy 85gr slugs, I think knowing you're not burning through pricey ammunition really contributes to the ability of having fun.

What ammunition are folks using to have a "blue" muzzle flash? So far, I've used PPU/Prvi Partizan and Sellier & Belliot for commerical and Yugoslavian, Polish and Romanian military surplus from my two M57s and CZ-52 and have yet to see anything but the typical yellow flash, same as any other cartridge. I want to experience this blue flashy stuff.
 
Saturnine it sounds like you need to get familiar with your new pistol! Its extremely easy to lower the hammer to half cock, you can hold the hammer and pull the trigger to release it (still holding it) then release the trigger and slowly lower the hammer to half cock.
 
I'd like to say the blue flame was some Bulgarian stuff. Check the warning on the internet about Bulgarian ammo before firing it. Some of it is super high pressure made for machine guns only. Also, when I shoot the Tula stuff in my Makarov it throws a lot of green sparks. I know we are talking about Tokarev but I thought I'd throw that in.
 
Oh, not the 'machinegun' BS, if there were hot rounds, it wasn't from machinegun rounds, it was from shoddy work, that's like saying stay away from .45 cause the army had Tommy Gun or M3 Grease gun ammo that blows up 1911.....

Oh, and if you look, people have SEARCHED for these rounds
Now, before they were illegal to import, Czech Sintered Iron 9Mak was often packaged and sold with Makarovs and PA 63's....
but all that did was eat the barrel.
 
For Post #7 7.62x25mm Tokarev and 7.63x25mm Mauser

7.62x25mm is generally regarded as an improved (read +P) version of the 7.63 Mauser.

Use of most 7.62x25 ammo in a 7.63 Mauser C96 pistol results in battering the bolt against the bolt stop; the 7.62 recoil impulse is stronger compared to a 7.63. Plus 7.62x25 is found in two varieties: loaded for pistol, and loaded hot for submachineguns.

On the other hand, 7.63 Mauser is a mild load in firearms chambered for 7.62x25mm. When the Finns siezed a number of 7.62x25 Russian PPSh41 submachine guns in WWII, they order 7.63 Mauser ammo from FN in Belgium and the ammo worked fine.

Commercial European pistol ammo loaded to CIP standards for 7.62 and 7.63 is supposed to be roughly equivalent. Czech 7.62x25mm has always seemed hot to me. I shoot both a 7.62 CZ52 and a 7.63 C96 pistol and I shoot a lot of military surplus ammo, which I suspect is not always compliant with commercial CIP Euro standards. I avoid using 7.62 in a 7.63 pistol. Since the fun of shooting a CZ52 is the orange fireball and earth-shattering kaboom, using 7.63 in 1 CZ52is a let down (and harder to find than 7.62 anyway).
 
Please
ANYONE
find me any instance of a "HOT"
7,62 tok, of this 'Machinegun load"
ONE DOCUMENTED INSTANCE

7.62x54, yes (beveled rim different head stamp etc.)
TOK, I have yet to find anything but rumor, and people who have tried to find this hot ammo failed to find any.
I doubt that any military would make rounds that would blow up their pistols, and fail to mark it, or differentiate it in any way.
 
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They are dramaticly different rounds, and Tok will blow up a broom handle, and send parts of it into you for your, er stupidity.

Kinda like shooting .357 mag, out of a old break top .38S&W (not special)
 
Try the surplus 7.62x25mm found packed in grey metal stripper clips and made for the Czech sa.26 submachinegun (magazine loader built into the right side of the forearm).
 
The Prvi Partisan P P U commercial or P P U military I have fired has been mild compared some lots of military surplus 7.62x25 I have tried. It also appears mild compared to S&B.
 
Ok. So I have looked, trying to find the one that tested the czech, the hungarian and the bulgarian 'subgun' ammo, can't find the link, found the usual rumors etc.

BTW, might it be on 8 round strippers, cause the CZ52 has a 8 round magazine
Just saying, it's a damn coincidence.....
 
Saturnine it sounds like you need to get familiar with your new pistol! Its extremely easy to lower the hammer to half cock, you can hold the hammer and pull the trigger to release it (still holding it) then release the trigger and slowly lower the hammer to half cock.

I'm working on it!

That's pretty much how I've been doing it, I'm just worried about pulling the trigger with a round in the chamber. I'm afraid I might slip when holding the hammer and put a hole in something. I'll practice it more with snap caps and see how safe it feels after I'm more familiar with it.
 
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