Need help planning a load for Ruger 45 Colt

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I'm having serious load-data confusion here. I want to load a few heavy but safe Ruger-only 45 colt loads for my stainless Bisley Blackhawk. The bullets will be 300 gr. XTPs in new Starline cases, H-110 powder.

Hornady gives a starting load of 17.9 gr., max 21.7 gr. H-110. I note that Hodgdon says not to download H-110 by more than 3%, yet the Hornady starting load is 18% below their max. Hornady also uses Winchester cases and WLP primers. I can't get WLPs, but I can get CCI 350s. (Also, if anyone has a recent Hornady manual, can you check the OAL for me? I'm not sure which cannelure to use.)

I also note that the Hornady load data differs significantly from both the Hodgdon online data (which uses a different jacketed bullet of the same weight) and Linebaugh's data (which I do not take to be authoritative).

Right now, my plan is to work up several loadings at ~ 0.5 gr. increments according to the Hornady charge data. I'll probably have to check after each shot to ensure that I don't leave a bullet lodged in the barrel.

Do any of the wise amongst us have suggestions?

As an aside, I noticed that Linebaugh's 310 data are not self-consistent. His web page gives the following numbers in different tables:

A load in his 7" test barrel:
310 GR LEAD SWC H-l10 23 1330 FPS 30,000 CUP

His suggested data (and he claims these charge weights are good for the 300 XTP at lower velocity):
Starting load: 310 cast H-110 21.5 1109 24,400 CUP
Maximum load: 3190 cast H-110 23.5 1316 32,000 CUP

Personal load that he suggests for big game/ dangerous game:
H-110 24 310/320 cast 1250 fps

His preferred load is over his max, and at lower velocity. :scrutiny: I suspect 24 gr. is way too much.
 
Linebaugh's data not authoritative??? Who do you think started this whole thing of loading Rugers to 32,000CUP? A noteworthy quote from the article:

"Velocity and pressure go hand in hand. With H-110 and WW296 if you get a gain in velocity, you're getting an equal gain in pressure. For this reason your charge weights may vary from ours, but as long as you do not EXCEED our recommended velocities with each bullet weight you will not be exceeding our recommended maximum pressures."

Your CCI 350's will be fine. As is Linebaugh's data.
 
For my Ruger Blackhawk I started at 20g of Win 296 with that bullet and stopped at 22. I had some 23 loaded but didn't shoot them. 21g shot the best group. My chrony was giving wild readings so I'm guessing I had it too close. They all shot 1.5 inches higher than 250g.
 
squarles67, thanks. What do you mean by "wild readings?" Do you have high standard deviations even at 21g? The reason you aren't supposed to download H-110 / W-296 is because it requires high pressure for ignition. You can get huge variations in velocity (or even squibs) if the charge is too low.

CraigC, did you see the part where Linebaugh's preferred load is over his maximum load?
 
Yes by wild readings they were all over the place both Avg Velocity and Extreme spread. It had been working fine with my Red Dot, Unique and Titegroup loads but went wild with the 296. There is considerable muzzle flash and I figured that was the problem with the readings. All the loads were very accurate so I do not believe there was any sort of incomplete ignition issue. The 21g load was the most accurate but was just slightly better.
 
CraigC said:
Did you read the part I quoted???

Yes, but I also read this:

THIS DATA CAN ALSO BE USED WITH 300 GR SIERRA, HORNADY XTP & SPEER BULLETS.
JACKETED BULLETS WILL RUN MUCH SLOWER VELOCITIES DUE TO FRICTION.
DO NOT INCREASE POWDER CHARGES TO GAIN THIS VELOCITY BACK

So on one hand, he says you should adjust the H110/W296 charge level with cast bullets so long as you keep the velocity within limits. On the other hand, with jacketed bullets you're supposed to use his charge levels and ignore the velocity. :scrutiny: My opinion only, but this doesn't seem like a sound approach for jacketed bullets. If the charge level needs to be adjusted for lead bullets, then it would likely need to be adjusted for jacketed as well.

As I don't have a chronograph, it's moot.

Can anyone else chime in on the issue of the starting charge? I don't see how Hornady can get away with recommending an 18% download from max with this powder. squarles67's 20 gr. start is 8% below max which seems more reasonable. Hodgdon recommends no more than 3%. There really isn't any room if you load according to Hodgdon's rules.

I guess I'm anxious because the rule is usually to work up from a starting load, but in this case the starting load should be almost the same as the max load according to Hodgdon. And of course Hornady says otherwise. What do people usually do when manuals disagree like this?
 
Or just work between 21.5gr and 23.5gr and not worry about that friggin' 24.0gr load. Or just follow Hodgdon's data, which is very good. This ain't rocket science.
 
ergo, if you are going to play this game (yes, i play this game), get a chronograph. all guns are different. start low and work up to the recomended velocity. make sure you allow for any difference in barrel length. a heavy crimp should keep velocity variations to a minimum. mr. linebaugh wrote the book on heavy loads in the ruger 45lc. fwiw

murf
 
What velocity should I look for? Clearly less than the ~1300 fps quoted by Hornady (for a 10" test barrel) and Linebaugh (for lead bullets in a 7" test barrel). My blackhawk has a 5.5" barrel. Figure about 1150 or 1200 fps?
 
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