Fn 5.7

Uh, okay. Not sure why you're excited about not carrying the Ruger because you didn't say what it is.

I'm a 5.7 fan but I don't know if I'd want to conceal one. They are light but also fairly large.

My Five-seveN is my favorite range pistol, it's light and accurate as well as having almost no recoil and 20 round magazines standard. I used to carry it for special occasions (when I thought there was the potential for needing to defend myself against assailants at long range, it was very job-specific) and there's nothing inherently wrong with using it for self defense. It's what all the security guards at my current employer carry as their sidearm.

IMHO the only drawback to the 5.7 other than size is that it's not the easiest to reload. In fact, with my skills, I don't consider that I want to tackle reloading for it. BUT I own one, I just don't put as many round thru it as with the 12 pistol calibers I reload.

Rodentman said:

IMHO the only drawback to the 5.7 other than size is that it's not the easiest to reload. In fact, with my skills, I don't consider that I want to tackle reloading for it. BUT I own one, I just don't put as many round thru it as with the 12 pistol calibers I reload.

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What do you mean by reload? Putting rounds into the mag, or putting a mag into the gun? I find both rather easy.

India said:

I know that the FN gets mixed reviews, and I don't know if I'll like the length of it, so the verdict is still out. However! I don't have to carry the Ruger now

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The only "negative" things about this gun to some people are the size of the round and it's size for concealed carry. Otherwise, this gun is extremely reliable, extraordinarily light for a weapon of it's size, has a high capacity, low recoil, etc. It's an outstanding weapon.

I have seen some issues with reloaded ammo in a friends guns. He has both the FN 5.7 and the PS90. The reloads fit the PS90 fine but he can only load five or so rounds into the mag of the 5.7 for some reason. He gets them reloaded by an amish person. I dont touch the stuff personally. I would rather have 15-17 in 9mm or 13 or so in .45 auto. Just my .02

The 5.7 is an expensive novelty piece with a LOUD report. I sold mine two years ago and haven't missed it. It was great quality and fun to shoot but I would be concerned about collateral damage if the speedy round went through a soft target and continued on.

trlhrv said:

I would be concerned about collateral damage if the speedy round went through a soft target and continued on.

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Why do you keep posting this? It is blatantly false.

I'll reply to this the same as I did last time:

"The 5.7x28mm projectile is statistically safer than conventional pistol bullets, because the projectile design limits overpenetration and has a lower risk of ricochet. The lightweight projectile also poses less risk of collateral damage in the event of a miss, because it loses much of its energy after traveling 400 m (1,310 ft), whereas a conventional pistol bullet such as the 9x19mm retains its energy beyond 800 m (2,625 ft)."

Here are a few youtube videos of the 5.7 punching through ballistic gel and a simulated body
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGGu0zfNIC4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JuvKWckwg8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKgG2W6_N0
I am pretty confident that a 5.7 is capable of punching through a body or wall and hitting an innocent bystander.

AZ FiveseveN writes:

What do you mean by reload? Putting rounds into the mag, or putting a mag into the gun? I find both rather easy

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He means neither; he's referring to producing reloaded ammunition (re-using cases and recharging them with new powder, primers, and projectiles.)

I would be concerned about collateral damage if the speedy round went through a soft target and continued on.

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It won't do that. See any of Brassfetcher's testing. Most 5.7x28mm types penetrate between 7 and 15 inches of 10% ballistic gelatin.

I've always wanted to shoot one but have never had the opportunity. The only things I've heard bad about them is the whole loss of velocity out of that short of a barrel thing.

I didn't like the pistol but I love the carbine.

I would love to have a five seven...it's the gun I dream about, but the price...Isn't the ammo terribly expensive, as well?

I just payed $18.99/50.

but I would be concerned about collateral damage if the speedy round went through a soft target and continued on.

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Huh? A light and fast bullet like the 5.7 shoots will penetrate less in a soft target, like a person, than a bullet with higher momentum, like any of the more typical service calibers. Muzzle energy isn't all that useful to figure out terminal effects, but combined with some peripheral information like bullet weight you can compare two rounds roughly equal in power (in this case let's use 9mm and 5.7) and figure out which will penetrate more. The 9mm has a pretty similiar muzzle energy, but it uses a much heavier bullet at lower speeds to create it. So the 9mm is going to have more momentum and so penetrate more.

It's not scientific, and isn't perfect, but it's a rule-of-thumb sort of way to guess at who penetrates deeper. And in this case it's right. A 5.7 is much less likely to overpenetrate a soft target than typical pistol calibers.

What does an expensive 5.7 FN do that an inexpensive .22LR or magnum doesn'T?

I like my 5.7 and it's absolutely reliable. I don't use it for my ccw though.

What does an expensive 5.7 FN do that an inexpensive .22LR or magnum doesn'T?

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Move a 30-55 grain bullet faster from a pistol than a .22 LR or Magnum can out of a rifle? And be reloadable? And have centerfire reliability?

What does an expensive 5.7 FN do that an inexpensive .22LR or magnum doesn'T?

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Kel-Tec claims only 1,230 ft/s with a 40 grain bullet from their new .22 WMR pistol, the PMR-30. Combat Handguns chronographed EA's 5.7x28mm Protector at over 2,000 ft/s from the Five-seveN pistol, again with a 40 grain bullet. The velocity difference between the two is nearly 800 ft/s; the EA 5.7x28mm load is about 65% faster than the .22 WMR and produces nearly three times the muzzle energy. These are all pistol to pistol comparisons, with similar barrel lengths and identical bullet weights.

A spare 30-round Five-seveN magazine can be carried for less weight than a spare 17-round Glock magazine. A Five-seveN pistol loaded with 20 rounds weighs the same as an empty Glock 17 or Glock 19 pistol. The Five-seveN also has a higher magazine capacity, shoots flatter, recoils less, and with EA's ammunition has the ability to penetrate virtually any type of body armor.

I dislike the misinformation on boards about "the 5.7X28 round being nothing more than a .22 mag round". It shows a lack of understanding.

Regardless, . . . the Five Seven is an excellent gun. Very reliable, quite accurate, and a hoot to shoot.