Crowd Mistakes Umbrella for Rifle - Panic Ensues

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That is freaky stuff. I swear there should be a certain threshold where panicking and dialing 911 over stupid stuff like this gets you fined. Consider this, the 5 callers initiated an armed response by the police so these SWAT guys go in armed and on edge (having 5 reports of a guy with a gun). So what if while they are in there, someone makes a sudden movement, maybe someone comes out of the bathroom, sees half a dozen armed men in black (your SWAT team), runs away pulling out his cell to dial 911 and gets blown away?

All this because someone (5 someones) call police about an umbrella. They see something long and black and assume it is a gun. I would say the threshold needs to be high for the fine but still, the people dialing 911 endangered everyone in the mall.
 
Apparently the [fill in the blank] at the end of the road got spooked when a black van went rolling by. Rather than looking at the plate, or just waiting it out, she flips and calls the cops.

In a sane and/or just world, people like that will be blacklisted from ever calling the cops.
 
I'm not surprised.

My wife and I have started carrying our rifles in tennis racket cases when we go to the range. We've had people in our building bolt into their apartments and report us to the landlord for having them cased.

Apparently it scares them that someone in the building owns a gun?

I've also noticed a rise in companies selling discreet cases too. Trend?
 
Even if it actually was a rifle, why would someone just immediately call the cops?

I assume that, given how the situation turned out, the guy was NOT behaving in an odd fashion. If someone thought it actually was a gun, why not simply walk up and ask him to put it up, or ask him why he has a gun?

If someone had just interacted with the guy, instead of irrationally flipping out, this whole incident would not have occurred.

Hypothetically speaking:
For all they know he could have been undercover law enforcement, in which case he may have been perfectly in his right to have a rifle (not sure why, but I'm sure there may be some reason possible).
 
nalioth said:
I thought this was an ancient bit of news, but unfortunately, it's the second event in a month. .

Well, great... I can see it coming now:

(1) The Congress finds and declares that—
(A) crime, particularly crime involving drugs and umbrellas, is a pervasive, nationwide problem;
(B) crime at the local level is exacerbated by the interstate movement of drugs, umbrellas, and criminal gangs;
(C) umbrellas move easily in interstate commerce and have been found in increasing numbers in and around malls, as documented in numerous hearings in both the Committee on the Judiciary [3] the House of Representatives and the Committee on the Judiciary of the Senate;
(D) in fact, even before the sale of an umbrella, the umbrella, its component parts, fabric, and the raw materials from which they are made have considerably moved in interstate commerce;
(E) while criminals freely move from State to State, ordinary citizens and foreign visitors may fear to travel to or through certain parts of the country due to concern about violent crime and umbrella violence, and parents may decline to send their children to malls for the same reason;
(F) the occurrence of violent crime in mall zones has resulted in a decline in the quality of shopping in our country;
(G) this decline in the quality of shopping has an adverse impact on interstate commerce and the foreign commerce of the United States;
(H) States, localities, and mall corporations find it almost impossible to handle umbrella-related crime by themselves—even States, localities, and mall corporations that have made strong efforts to prevent, detect, and punish umbrella-related crime find their efforts unavailing due in part to the failure or inability of other States or localities to take strong measures; and
(I) the Congress has the power, under the interstate commerce clause and other provisions of the Constitution, to enact measures to ensure the integrity and safety of the Nation’s malls by enactment of this subsection.
(2)
(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess an umbrella that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a mall zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of an umbrella—
(i) on private property not part of mall grounds;
(ii) if the individual possessing the umbrella is licensed to do so by the State in which the mall zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
(iii) that is—
(I) not open; and
(II) in a locked container, or a locked umbrella rack that is on a motor vehicle;
(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a mall corporation in the mall zone (such as "Singing in the Rain");
(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a mall corporation in the mall zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;
(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity during times of inclement weather; or
(vii) that is closed and is possessed by an individual while traversing mall premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to shopping, if the entry on mall premises is authorized by mall corporation executives.
 
Even if it actually was a rifle, why would someone just immediately call the cops?

I assume that, given how the situation turned out, the guy was NOT behaving in an odd fashion. If someone thought it actually was a gun, why not simply walk up and ask him to put it up, or ask him why he has a gun?

If someone had just interacted with the guy, instead of irrationally flipping out, this whole incident would not have occurred.

Hypothetically speaking:
For all they know he could have been undercover law enforcement, in which case he may have been perfectly in his right to have a rifle (not sure why, but I'm sure there may be some reason possible).

because....in Massachusetts.....even though open carry is 100% legal.......it might as well be a felony.

the only time you see someone open carry is if:
1) they are LEO
2) they are at a shooting range
3) they are on their own land (and most likely out of public view)

other than that....it simply doesnt happen.....

so even though its legal.....when people see someone with a gun, they immediately panic and call the police.......its just something they arent used to seeing
 
The umbrella toter will be lucky if he doesn't face criminal charges, the way prosecutors are nowadays. Do nothing wrong, and STILL get charged because other people are idiots. What's worse than that? He runs the risk of being CONVICTED by idiots.
 
sharpdressedman......i actually had that same thought myself........i can just imagine this guy being charged with 'inciting panic' or 'public endangerment' or some crap like that.
 
I think it's great! If invading forces ever decide to make a land assault, where do you think they'll target? Texas? Nope. After this report, I can guarantee you they will head directly to that mall in Massachusetts and go from there. :)


-Matt
 
Have we come to a point as a society where we need to start putting red tips on every elongated black object?

In some parts of the country where the old gun culture is so far removed, sadly yes.
 
Even if it actually was a rifle, why would someone just immediately call the cops?

I assume that, given how the situation turned out, the guy was NOT behaving in an odd fashion.

Right, he wasn't murdering people or acting like a nutjob, so what's the problem?

If someone thought it actually was a gun, why not simply walk up and ask him to put it up, or ask him why he has a gun?

Or better yet, people could mind their own business if the guy wasn't doing anything wrong. For all they knew, there could have been a mass murderer with concealed firearms in another part of the mall, ready to kill lots of defenseless people--maybe in such a scenario the rifle-toting dude they're so afraid of could have taken out the murderer.
 
"Cops just came in and told us to evacuate the mall. There's a guy with a gun," said Jose Abdul, 26, manager of a Verizon store in the mall. "I couldn't believe it. I just legged it out of there."

I know, every time I see a person with a gun I think "HE'S HERE TO KEEEEEEL ME!"

Consequently, my experiences at local gun shops are very traumatic.
 
maybe in such a scenario the rifle-toting dude they're so afraid of could have taken out the murderer.

You are forgetting of course that only police and U.S. soldiers can be both good guys and simultaneously in possession of a firearm.
 
I live in Massachusetts and bought a Remington M1917 off Gunbroker from another Mass. resident in Feb. We did an inspection and legal FTF transaction in a mall parking lot halfway between our towns. Plenty of people saw us and the rifle and no one batted an eye or said a word.

Tinpig
 
You are forgetting of course that only police and U.S. soldiers can be both good guys and simultaneously in possession of a firearm.

Forgive me, it was my guns who made me say that--a form of "gun control," if you will. ;)

I wouldn't have apologized at all.

I would have asked for an apology for their attempted violation of my right to defend myself...against rain! :banghead:

What's next, federal legislation to ban the carry of long black things? Don't answer.... :eek:
 
I doubt that folks in a more gun-familiar and gun-friendly part of the country would have panicked like this. I can remember that when living in San Antonio, TX, during the mid-80's, I went to a sporting goods store in a mall and bought a S&W Model 19, with two boxes of ammo (I still have this great gun) and then carried it with me while doing some additional shopping. This was before concealed carry was legal in TX. While I was looking at this gun, an older woman behind me commented that she liked my choice in guns, and wondered if she should get one like the Model 19 instead of the little 22 she carried in her boot! No one seemed to be concerned that people were leaving this store carrying rifles, shotguns, or handguns as I was. This was just a normal day at the mall. And by the way, there was no waiting period, no filling out of government forms; I just had to show my TX drivers license and plunk down my credit card. I miss those good 'ol days, and I mostly miss Texas (other than the unbearable temps during half of the year)!
 
and I mostly miss Texas (other than the unbearable temps during half of the year)!

I know! It gets freakin' cold sometimes.

Something similar happened here ... I think two years ago at Linn Benton Community College.
I guy was carrying a yoga mat kinda tucked into his trenchcoat and they evacuated the whole school for a psychopath who wanted exercise us all to death.
 
I have one of those umbrellas with the sword handle. It was more of a joke when it was given to me, and I have only got nice comments about once someone actually takes a second to see what kind of umbrella it is. I also enjoy living in the South where I can own my umbrella and carry it without fear of being reported.
 
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