Florida Sheriff's Org fights Open Carry Bill

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...tend to vote liberal views when it comes to guns....We need these folks on our side not fighting against us.

For most of these people, it's just not going to happen. People that tremble in fear at the sight of a gun aren't going to favor pro-2nd Amendment legislation regardless.
 
Sorry, but the governments want to have the monopoly on violence.

Several laws say that I can defend myself and the 4th amendment says that I have to be left alone if I am not doing anything wrong.
 
Sadly there will always be butt lickers in the leo world , thats what this is , pleasing the higher ups, because every cop Ive ever known or worked with are against legislation thats hurts the citizens rights!
LOL...you may have called it right
 
OC is just a matter of freedom and trust. That is all, nothing more and nothing less. Is this a free country: or not? Does the government trust it's citizens: or not? Restricting method of carry is an infringment on your right to keep and bear arms, if you personally understand it that way: or not.

If you wish to carry concealed, that is fine, but what if your "concealed" weapon inadvertantly becomes visible? In FL that is a no no.

After a statement like that in the OP from a LEO, I would be for working very hard to see that the person making the statement be removed from his position. He is unsafe, just like the NY MTA cop that just shot another cop, just because he saw a man with a "gun". A slung rifle at that.

+1. Wow. Good post.

FL Sherriff needs unemployment now. He's better off policeing private malls with that attitude.

If Police are going around "drawing down" on people whoe OC......then I hope they've improved thier aim.

I'm against open carry. And I think we shouldn't need a CCW license to CCW as it it our constitutional right. If FL want us not to OC, then lets us CCW without all the hassles.
 
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oneounceload said:
I DO agree that an inadvertent showing (such as bending over), is NOT brandishing and should be changed
Florida has no law against brandishing. Hell, Florida doesn't even recognize the word brandish to even have a definition of it! There is a law against careless, reckless, or threatening display. A barrel popping out beneath a t-shirt is none of these.

What's next, are people going to talk about printing?
 
Could not have said it better myself gatorjames. I sometimes wish we could make Florida two states with I-4 the border. South Florida sucks.
 
Because so few here are actually from Florida; they're typically from the liberal New England area (think MA, NY, NJ, CT, etc.)

That's true, a lot of snowbirds move down south to take advantage of the low taxes and lower cost of living, unfortunately often bringing their lefty attitudes with them.
 
I am not a believer in open carry. It defeats the purpose of carrying a small concealable firearm for defensive purposes and only empowers the anti-gun crowd.
 
It defeats the purpose of carrying a small concealable firearm for defensive purposes and only empowers the anti-gun crowd.

Why must one carry only a small and concealable firearm? Part of the reason the anti-gun crowd is so empowered is because a lot of people don't know that normal, peace loving people carry guns. Done properly open carry heals this ignorance. Although I choose not to open carry I can see it's redemptive purpose.
 
Ben86 said:
That's true, a lot of snowbirds move down south to take advantage of the low taxes and lower cost of living, unfortunately often bringing their lefty attitudes with them.

TonyT being the perfect example.

Ben86 said:
Why must one carry only a small and concealable firearm? Part of the reason the anti-gun crowd is so empowered is because a lot of people don't know that normal, peace loving people carry guns. Done properly open carry heals this ignorance. Although I choose not to open carry I can see it's redemptive purpose.

Exactly. In addition I would rather deter a criminal from attacking me in the first place than have to defend myself against an attack after it has begun.
 
"Open Carry" is about deterrence.

Once the fade wears off, I doubt you will see many at the Superbowl walking around with Desert Eagles in shoulder holsters.



What about the cops attitude

If you flopping around town like the "Lone Ranger" ... The cops will stop you and ask for your CCW card.



Who is really behind opposing it?

The liberal NY crowd. The Dianne Feinsteins, Chuck Schumers, Obama, and that anti gun group. Naturally those mopes have security and secret service to protect them
 
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The liberal NY crowd. The Dianne Feinsteins, Chuck Schumers, Obama, and that anti gun group. Naturally those mopes have security and secret service to protect them

And even a few THR members.
 
if open carry is/were legal in florida the sherriff has violated a couple of laws probably more.threatening great bodily injury(terrorist threats)conspiring to violate citizens rights,abuse of power under authority of the law and i bet a plethora of others some clever defense litigator could produce on a moments reflection of his states penal code.i'm not an open carry advocate per say,yet rights should be exercised till they bulge and become strong and powerful,but OC eliminates first strike capabilities imo. "in the land of the blind a one eyed man would be king"
 
in california open carry is legal you just can't have a loaded weapon (as if that logic tracks),and there trying to legislate that away because it intimidated people in starbucks,who immediately refused service to OC exercisers.the LE community was pretty decent about it just waved you over and politely inspected the nasty roscoe for condition of carry,if street legal ,let you go about your private and legal business,it's the so called soccer moms and the sort that drag out the"what about the children"excuse to validate their position,which is specious at best and dangerous by degree at its worst,how many people could have been saved(the children included) by one clear thinking armed citizen in the numerous shootings throughout the country.they may think that statement drives home their point,but there are millions of guns out there and they're thinking taking them away will protect them.that's like picking cactus buck naked,and wondering why you got so many pricks in you.what it validates is the saying if stupidity was rare,it would be worth something.and who said that? i did!
 
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I think anyone who owns a rifle should be able to shoot at the NRA expert level or better. Anyone who owns a handgun should be able to shoot at the IPSC A class/IDPA expert level or better.

The government could manage the training and if you don't pass...
that would eliminate about 90% of the leos
 
There was a story awhile back of a bad guy trying to run a road block in South Fl. and after 100+ rounds were fired into the SUV he was driving, he got out and surrendered, he was taken to a local hospital and treated for minor wounds and released into police custody. The owners of the stolen vehicle didn't fare as well, insurance only covered repairs.
 
Yep. In the 42 states that allow open carry, the open carriers are a huge source of guns for bad guys. They grab them from open carriers all the time.

NOT.

I challenge you to provide examples where gun grabs happen in reality.
check you tube LT
 
If the bill passes I wonder about my reaction when I first see someone carrying. I suspect that I will make an assessment based on the appearance of the person carrying. Of course that is profiling and that is illegal.. So if the person does not like my reaction to the situation does a gunfight follow? I expressed my opinion on this a while ago. I am against open carry and for the legality of it. My name is not Kerry, I just think that CC is better. The only justification i see is so folks can carry a big gun on the hip.
 
I just had to tell this. In the 70s and 80s I would fly into D.C. National airport and then drive south to Old Town Alexandria. On the way, near the airlprot, was a huge gas station, in Virginia. There would be five or six guys out filling gas tanks. Everyone of them carried a revolver on the hip. Now that was a good place for open carry.
 
If the bill passes I wonder about my reaction when I first see someone carrying. I suspect that I will make an assessment based on the appearance of the person carrying. Of course that is profiling and that is illegal.. So if the person does not like my reaction to the situation does a gunfight follow?
Why would you react at all to someone who is peacefully carrying? If you draw down on someone who has not threatened you directly, you are the one who is instigating a conflict. And no, merely carrying a firearm (concealed or openly) is not a threat.

I expressed my opinion on this a while ago. I am against open carry and for the legality of it. My name is not Kerry, I just think that CC is better. The only justification i see is so folks can carry a big gun on the hip.

Just because you think CC is better, does not mean OC should be illegal. OC does not cause random gunfights, it is not a plague on society nor is it uncouth. People have been openly carrying sidearms for centuries, even millenia (swords and daggers before firearms were invented). There is no reason it should be illegal.
 
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