Should there be a minimum standard for CCW guns

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Every time I see a thread like this, I die a little more inside.

If someone is stupid or lazy enough to carry a non-functional gun, that's on them. Not my problem, and certainly not an issue worth legislating. We should be pushing for less governmental intrusion into our lives, not more.
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this.

1. No one needs to let it be known that they carry. to anyone.

2. I regularly run my self defense JHP ammo on my CCW gun at the range, just to make sure no feed issues have come up. I ALWAYS shoot my CCW gun at least one magazine every range trip. Anyone that doesnt have sense enough to do the same is only going to, possibly, hurt themselves.
 
People who say "there oughta be a law" generally have not been paying attention to the world around them. We have laws and rules and regulations for every occasion, and forms in triplicate. Have they helped?

The "voluntary program" for gun functionality already exists; it is to ask your friendly neighborhood gunsmith, if you yourself are afflicted with clue deficit disorder. Usually a quick consultation is free.

I lived in a state--and I hope to go back again--where there was no mechanical roadworthiness inspection for automobiles. Operating an unsafe vehicle was a summary offense. Furthermore, there was no help for you in court, if you did that and caused a crash--and that setup worked out okay. It put the responsibility squarely on the driver. I hope that hasn't been repealed while I've been away. I saw fewer rolling scrapheaps there than in the state where I now live. Here, the annual state authorized inspection and repair program is sometimes characterized as "welfare for mechanics." That is the charitable description.
 
If someone chooses to protect themselves with a glorified rust-covered paperweight, that's none of my concern. My defensive weapons are all tried, trusted, and properly maintained, and I don't think the government (at any level) should be involved in such a certification process of individual firearms.

In fact, apathy on this subject is advantageous to most of us. Many of the 'hood rats I see with guns are carrying poorly maintained firearms that may or may not work. That's just as well for me, should they ever try to send a round or two in my direction!

I'm also glad that my state doesn't sponsor any of the prettiness inspections for our vehicles that other states do!
 
I'm going to have to disagree with that idea. Your essentially saying that CCW should be regulated even more than it already is, via safety inspections.

I know what your idea is, but whoever carries an unsafe CCW is on their own. If they want to carry a rusty ole Luger or something, let them do it.

Even if that is legislated, who would the volunteers be? Depending if they are pro or anti gun that could lead to more problems. Going out on a limb here, but say several members of the Brady Bunch get in on "inspecting" CCW firearms, they might just try to say that your gun is unsafe, and then the next guy, then the next, and so on, until nobody in the county has a "safe" gun that is acceptable for CCW. All because of the mandatory inspections.

I know what I'm saying might be a little absurd and unlikely, but you have to think about the What-Ifs, especially when they affect your rights.

Personally, I prefer less government regulation, that includes any "inspections" of my guns. They're mine, they don't need to be inspected, I inspect them myself when I buy them. In my state, I don't have the right to carry a firearm, open or concealed, and if I did, I still wouldn't want any inspections, because my carry rig would be tried, tested and ultimatly worthy of carry by my standards.
 
I will go one better, The best way to carry concealed is without a permit. If they know you have it, it is not concealed. Support constitutional carry in your state.
 
Just for discussion purposes only, but what about a law that states that those who wish to CC must carry a firearm that is noted by the manufacturer as being drop safe? Enforcement would come along the lines of response to an incident, after the fact, where a penalty would be issued for carrying a non drop safe weapon?

Then again, as far as I know if you drop a gun and it goes off, you're still responsible for the damages caused anyway.
 
And just pray tell are you going to get this "inspector"? Who's to decide on whats acceptable and whats not?
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Well, I mean, I've got no problem with doing it........ except that I would probably have to sell my soul to the BATFE andnot get it back until I retire.

I don't think we should have a government regulated standard, short of "the gun must not fire while holstered if you trip and fall. The firearm must not explode when fired."

Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
 
Nasser said:
Just for discussion purposes only, but what about a law that states that those who wish to CC must carry a firearm that is noted by the manufacturer as being drop safe? Enforcement would come along the lines of response to an incident, after the fact, where a penalty would be issued for carrying a non drop safe weapon?

Then again, as far as I know if you drop a gun and it goes off, you're still responsible for the damages caused anyway.
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Uhh...Everyone selects a safe to carry weapon anyway, out of common sense. I mean, who does not put away the Remington .41 Derringer and the .45 Colt five out of six shooter as the collectibles they are? I do not see why there is an interest in a legislative fix to an expired problem. No one is carrying those old relics anymore.

As you note, if the bullet came from your gun, it's your problem criminally and civilly. If there is a CCW program that does not preach that, let me know. I would rather this be handled on the private side.

In general, I view the idea of more laws with suspicion; the courts left open the idea of infringement under color of law, in my opinion, but in general I get your drift about liability after the fact. There is no new law needed to create that. We have it already.
 
I agree with most of what you are saying , hating large govt, has been a topic in many of my posts, but the bible says love thy neighboor, and "you are your brothers keeper", so please ton't trump the bible with state laws, I said voluntary not state ordained, the volunteers"now that I see what "dropped it" means here" would be the only ones who would have to maybe pass a test of some kind. Don't forget there are a lot of people like my neighboors on 2 sides who don't even know what kind of shotgun they have or if it fires. I would like to help them, and others who are in the same boat. That's all I meant, not a state run anything. Like the folks that go to rave partys and make sure the kids aren't getting poisoned, by some toxic drug, they don't even stop them "they really can't and wouldn't be welcome if they did, but if you could stop one gun from blowing up in someones face it would be worth it.
Most of us here know guns that's why we are here, there are many , maybe most, folks out there that have a gun, got it prior to any testing or had it left to them from a dead spouse, just for home protection, and have no clue if it even works.
My aunt had one like that, my uncle being head of the gun club made sure when he passed that he left her one of his 38's, she's 89, and can't remember how to load it, she's not senile just hasn't seen it in 40 years. So folks like that could use a little help.
 
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Gym - you miss the point. If people want to voluntarily go to have their guns checked out and/or explained to them, there are already places for them to go - namely gunshops, gunshows, and gunsmiths.

Beyond that, what more is needed? If people aren't already taking advantage of these obvious sources of information and training, why do you expect them to seek it out from yet another source?
 
Why, oh why, do people want MORE .gov intrusion into their 2A rights? :confused:

Why? :confused: :confused:

Be a responsible consumer, like for every other product you purchase (or don't and self select out of the gene pool). :cuss:
 
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Wasn't there a time in history where it was interpreted that the 2nd Amendment only protected "weapons suitable for military use"? Now for some reason they think it only protects "weapons suitable for sporting use", but in reality it protects both.
 
Legislation in this direction does provide a pretty slippery slope for sure.

But I do kinda like the idea of some sort of voluntary checkout station, maybe hosted by some local gunsmiths? I think that'd promote the shooting sports, too.
 
"Wasn't there a time in history where it was interpreted that the 2nd Amendment only protected "weapons suitable for military use"? Now for some reason they think it only protects "weapons suitable for sporting use", but in reality it protects both."

No. There was not. Read the constitutions of the states that ratified the US Constitution. Many of them, like my home state of Pennsylvania, use much clearer verbiage and tie the RTKBA to self defense.

Right to Bear Arms
Section 21.

The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

This thread is getting scarier and scarier. If we lose our 2A rights, it won't be because if the anti's. It will be because of gun owners like some who are posting in this thread.
 
I can see it for things like cars. If they malfunction, they may harm someone else on the road.

NJ has even done away with their biannual safety inspection. Only emissions and that's a Fed requirement. I've had cars that passed inspection and had the brakes go out a few days later. There's really little evidence that supports safety inspections really do anything to keep cars on the road safe. Now if NJ can only fix their gun laws.

I think people should have some type of competency with a firearm to carry it. I'm not supportive of any thing that will involve the government to do so. I don't support public speaking tests to exercise your 1st Amendment rights either (many forget that the Constitution is more than the 2A).

People are going to do what they want to do. I know people who bought guns back in the 60s as they were afraid of the riots at the time. Never shot it and perhaps they would have been better served by buying a Louisville Slugger.
 
No

not even just no

HELL NO

This opens a whole new can of worms. It's a great way to start eliminating legally owned guns with

'oh, this one is too weak...this one is too powerful...this one the trigger is too light...this one the ammo doesn't expand enough, it will hurt bystanders...this one is loaded with those evil black talons'

Just a suggestion, even a voluntary system where folks "especially non gun folks" could take a gun and have a volunteer saftey check it and maybe make a few suggestions, like I would check that firing pin, or your culinder head space is off so bad it may blow up if you need it.
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you really think someone couldn't right now walk up to ANY gunsmith or gunshop (note gunshop not sporting goods store with gun department) and say 'hi, I have a CCW, and I am not sure if my gun is in good enough shape, can you take a look at it and give me some feedback'? that the vast majority of gunsmiths and gunshop people would do it either for free or for a nominal charge?

so basically we already have an informal voluntary system in place.
 
Why do you care what anyone else carries?

None of your beeswax. None.

You go ahead and take care of your own gear, and don't worry about what anybody else is doing.
 
I don't even understand why someone in this forum would even pose it as a legitimate question in the first place unless a new bill was proposed in a state or Congress. Mind boggling. Yeah, we need more government intervention so that a defacto firearm registration system happens like a hole in the head. Oh, lets add in a per gun fee for the inspection.
 
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