What Are The Places Where Social Violence Happens?

"Dippy teens on XTC"

I'd like to interject a little bit of reality into that one... as a kid and later doorman who had many dealings in the northeast party scene ( stretching from detroit to new york to chicago thereabouts) both at legitimate and not so legitimate venues- the level of savagery I've witnessed at a number of these events makes a fair majority of my "adult bar " encounters pale in comparison.

Granted, a large part of that has to do with the evils of drugs and testosterone as mentioned above.... but I would not lower my awareness or be lulled into complacency by a mostly positive "vibe" in any area or the appearance of the patrons.

If some of the locales weren't bad enough, some of the partygoers themselves were more than capable threats....and having a mob of 500+ people of varying levels of intoxication on various substances ranging from simple air and drumbeats to a vendetta and 6 or 7 tabs of mescaline escalates fairly badly and at a frightening speed.

With that said, its like any other compromise of safety in the lines of having a good time....but please be ever vigilant....this easily falls into the category of "know your place/know yourself"

+1 for mcDonalds. Other than that I'd say beer joints, honky tonks, cantinas, and dance halls. Anywhere alcohol is served.

shadow, that only covers about 95% of violence.

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yep, but consider the odds
by avoiding 95%, being prepared for 95% of the remaining, you have drastically lowered your chances of harm from violence, and unfortunately, what remains is mostly the 'out of the blue' random stuff, that you can still use the basics in the above to minimize.

Hence, the best bet is to avoid, then be prepared for what you can't avoid. I do believe that is the gist of this thread.

I gave this book to my youngest son as a Recognition gift at the USAFA, his work will take him into many difficult and violent areas and I am hoping that the book along with his training will help him recognize threats as well as areas to stay away from. Certain professions don't allow one to pick and choose the areas he goes to.
This book looks like a good one for a young man to read and learn from others prior mistakes/experiances.
At least 2 of the 9 Americans killed last week in Afghanistan were from the Academy, one a Major who was a language instructor, and a Captain who graduated in 95.
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Isn't Tom Givens' version of this something to the effect of, "Don't go stupid places, don't do stupid things, don't hang out with stupid people?"

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I don't know who that is, but I've been saying almost exactly the same thing for years, mostly recently on cleveland.com to an anti-self-defense dolt who lied about where you could and couldn't carry in Ohio and tried to tell everyone they were better off carrying pepper spray than a firearm.

There was once a guy on another firearms discussion board who related an incident of clearly inappropriate police behavior toward him. My problem was that he started his story something to the effect of, "I was in this bar that's had a history of violence and drug dealing..." My first comment was, "Why would you KNOWINGLY go to a place like that?"

I prefer either to be around intelligent people with intelligent things to say, or alone with a book. I avoid stupid people and the places they go, ESPECIALLY where they go to get intoxicated and hit each other. Besides, most drunks and druggies are REALLY boring, at least to me.

It's VERY easy to avoid MOST trouble, because any person of vaguely normal intelligence KNOWS what places are likely to attract trouble, like seedy bars, places where people use drugs, and the haunts of habitual criminals. Any place else is VASTLY less likely to present you with a self-defense situation. If it does, it's FAR more likely to be a clear cut self-defense situation where YOUR motives and actions will be subject to far less skepticism.

How about schools and Post Offices?

Seriously, statistics do not apply to the individual case. Yes, statistically those are the high risk areas/behaviors. However, for the individual in a statistically low risk category that is mugged, killed or raped, statistics in no way help their pain and suffering.

Thus, do not go where you put yourself at risk AND always be prepared to deal with violence.

I think one does well to stay no later than 12:10 A.M. at any mixed bag attendees 'New Year's Eve' party...( if one even goes at all...)

Once it gets to be about ten after twelve, those who can or will slide sideways, start sliding sideways, and, some of these will not be in a good way, either.


'Dennys' when located close to run down industrial or 'entertainment' areas, in the wee hours, in their way also, often have a few scattered tables of customers amid the otherwise emptyness, who are not leaning toward feeling ( or being ) cheerful or kind...and or who would incline to find someone to take their grudges or dis-satisfactions out on with no need of much for pretext.

'Situational Awareness', and the grace and or discipline to not be distracted or seduced from it...and the determination not to over burdon it in indulging favors or transient aims or patronage by obliging locations where 'Situational Awareness' will have too much to monitor or to pre-emptively manage or forsee coming by whatever maneuver.

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At its heart the argument is good. Drugs are generally a bad influence to be around, but I know plenty of very mild mannered pot heads who frankly don't pose a danger to anything other than a bag of chips late at night.

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There are areas where the illicit marijuana supply regularly tests positive for PCP or other adulterants.

Play stupid games; win stupid prizes.

That pretty much sums it up.

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The other day I went to my County Sheriff's office to take care of some business.

I could not help but overhear folks speaking of why friends/family were in jail. Yes, these situation mirrored Lee's original posting of this thread. Since a bail bondsman was out front, I asked what situations folks found themselves in trouble,and again Lee's original post mirrored situations.

But, there was one situation that got my attention, and that was the relating of a older couple, traveling, and buying gas just as the sun was setting. They had called for help, after fearing they were being followed.

Further information revealed they had a Handicapped License plate. Just me, but I do not recommend the plate, instead the hang tag.

I have shared before my concerns with handicapped plates, and buying gas after dark, and out of state tags.

They sat in the corner just looking at each other. Then one of them says "go", and they all instantly pounced on one guy drinking alone in the bar and beat the ever loving * out of him. Then they all ran out the door and dissappeared. The guy they beat up was a regular and said he'd never seen the guys before in his life. And I believed him.

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It's funny you mention this situation. I found myself in a very similar spot the other night. I was unarmed and went to meet friends at a local pool hall. We frequent this place and as you mentioned we have never before seen these 3 guys. I stayed later than normal so on the way out I was on my phone calling the wife to let her know I was departing. (I know bad move) and had I not been on the phone I think I could have anticipated this much better. As I turned the corner around the drivers side of my truck I notice a early 20 yo white male giving me the stare down and standing very close to my door. I make quck eye contact and look behind him to see his buddy coming up very quickly to surround me. So I kept walking past my door and positioned myself out by my tailgate so I wasn't quiet as confined in between my truck and another car.

I look up at both of them now staring at me when I realize there was a 3rd positionng himself around the other side of my truck. I made eye contact with all 3 at this point to let them know I was aware of them and that a sucker punch at this point was impossible. They still could have jumped me, but not a full blown sucker punch. I was unarmed but always carry oc spray when I can't ccw. So I have my left hand on the spray and put the phone back in my pocket with my right to free it up. At this point a friend walks out of the bar and yells out my name. They all froze in their tracks looked at him and back at me one more time before figuring it was a no go since the odds were less in their favor with 3/2. They stood by the front door for a couple moments and left without ordering a drink or so much as a soda.

I'm sure they were on a mission to hurt somebody that night. Yes it was about 12:30 I'm never out that late and now I remember why.

I'll add my two cents, and it may very well be in line with the theory.

Yes, booze, drugs, and the mating ritual all impact decision making...

Also obvious, areas of poverty, or where extreme poverty meets extreme wealth.

Areas in brief social disorder, such as large riots. We see these sprouting up all over the world from time to time. The LA Riots, NOLA Katrina, Egypt, etc. Lots of violence. WHY do people go? I understand there are many complicated reasons (wanting a voice, looting, curiousity, etc.)... but STAY AWAY.

I would add a very important point. Your odds of surviving these areas if you are swept up increase if you have 1) survival and situational awareness training 2) a firearm and training. I have some of #1 and #2 and like to primarily go/visit places that allow me to possess a firearm. Hence, when making travel plans, I try very hard to avoid going places were the one tool that will save my life is prohibited (I don't visit Illinois, New Jersey, Boston, Los Angeles, etc. unless I absolutely must).

A very good web site to explore is no nonsence self defence . com. It covers a vast array of situations, behaviours, and attitudes to avoid. It also goes in to detail about how criminals size up potential targets and how to avoid becoming one.