Loading the Bullet pointed side in.

Lets see if this works for explaining it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zxdNlVABH8&feature=player_embedded

Rory McCanuck said:

Lets see if this works for explaining it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zxdNlVABH8&feature=player_embedded

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That's some funny stuff. They shot thin steel plate that the bullet would most likely penetrate in the normal point forward load. Then they show the slow motion video claiming the bullet does not penetrate the plate. The video actually shows what looks to be the bullet or at least a fragment of the bullet hitting the second plate. This appears to be typical of these kind of shows. They are put together by someone that knows nothing about ballistics or guns. But it sure makes for good TV.

They shot thin steel plate that the bullet would most likely penetrate in the normal point forward load.

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Agreed. I have no idea what grade of steel they are shooting, but can say 52.5 grains of IMR 4064 pushing a conventionally seated Hornady 150 grain SP from a Rem 700 in 30/06, will punch through 1/2" steel deck plate @ 50 yards straight on... At least it did for me and the grade of steel I tested in 1983, with what was then my "Deer load", and not chronographed.

Clone,
Great post, linking to box of truth

During the years following World War II and Korea, there was a huge supply of FMJ war-surplus ammo on the market. A lot of folks reversed the bullet in hopes of getting expansion.

It's possible this was the motivation for our Germans too -- if so, then they would have been in trouble with some of the then existing international agreements (e. g. Hague convention).

Turning a bullet around to cause spalling with an infantry rifle?
Sounds kind of hokey to me.
The NRA did some testing with reversed FMJs and found that they were very frangible, blowing up more like a varmint bullet than the softpoint performance the folks mentioned by JASmith were hoping for.

I have seen plates of various thickness and hardness shot with various bullets and not seen spalling. I have seen dents, craters, and holes, but no spalling. But then I haven't shot any backward bullets.


This one sounds like the frequent assurance by a previous poster that the 7.7 Arisaka was intentionally designed so that a desperate Jap could cram in a .30-06 cartridge when he ran out of proper ammunition.

Sounds kind of hokey to me.

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Yes, Jim, "hokey". Anybody tried removing bullets with sealant on them from military brass? With as much as a PITA it is to do with the right equipment, the idea that a soldier in the field is going to do this is simply ridiculous. Just MHO.

Don

I do find the concept of Hermann and Georg, German snipers, sitting in the mud and filth of their WWI trench lines, pulling bullets with a pair of pliers and re-seating them by banging the bullet in with their boot heel a bit unlikely.

Did it happen? I'll bet it did. Commonly? I still don't think so. Effective? I seriously doubt it.

Actually, the ideal bullet would have the same spire point on the rear as well as the front. A Sears–Haack body or bullet profile would have an extremely high Ballistic Coefficient as it reduces the turbulence and drag that follows a conventional bullet.

I decided to do some test & this is what I found.
.308'' 147gr FMJBT Milspec / Savage 30-06 SprgBullet seated forward left a 62.9gn water volume in the case. Bullet seated backwards left a 59gn water volume in the case.


Other test seemed to show wind affected the bullet more seated forward then backward. I was shooting .5'' steel plate & was surprised to see that with the bullet seated backward it left a indent the shape of the base of the bullet & seated forward only painted the plate with lead. Bullet seated backward also made big clean holes like a Wad Cutter would. I didn't measure the shoots @ 100 yds but the difference wasn't changed only magnified. I'm sure I will continue these test later & will use a thinner piece of steel to see if one does penetrate better.


Bullseye 4.0gr
14Jun11
Forward
745 FPS 5 shoots grouped .608'' because of 1 flier. Without flier group would be .144” @ 40yds. Group was 1.495'' @ 100yds.
Backwards
800 FPS 5 shoots group 1.625'' @ 40yds. Group was 1.968'' @ 100yds.


Both forward & backwards dropped about 12'' from 40yds to 100yds.


.308'' 147gr FMJBT Milspec / Savage 30-06 Sprg


Bullseye 5.0gr
16Jun11
Forward




.308'' 147gr FMJBT Milspec / Savage 30-06 Sprg


Bullseye 6.0gr
16Jun11
Forward
FPS 1034 @ 35yds grouped 1.129''


Backward
FPS 1092 @ 35yds grouped .597''


.308'' 147gr FMJBT Milspec / Savage 30-06 Sprg


Bullseye 7.0gr
16Jun11
Forward
1127 FPS @ 35yds grouped .932''


Backward
1196 FPS @ 35yds grouped .450''






.308'' 147gr FMJBT Milspec / Savage 30-06 Sprg


Bullseye 8.0gr
16Jun11
Forward
1258 FPS @ 35yds grouped .799''


Backward
1260 FPS @ 35yds grouped .847''