M1A Scout Squad cheek weld with scope

add a cheek piece if it does. Ive found that if a rifle has much drop at the comb i need something to raise it when im using a scope unless i can get the tube realy low over the reciever (my mini-14 wares low rings and a 1-4x20).

There are several way sot go about this.
One is to add the cheek riser that directly attaches to the stock via 2 bolts.
Two is the add the laced style, either leather or canvas. There are many out there. Or the Quick release style as well. I have a laced canvas and if I shoot irons, my chin just pushes it to the side.
Three is to get a stock with a built-in cheek riser, like the M21, Sage or JAE stocks.

Just my 2 cents, I got a scope for my Scout Squad and it was a waste of money to me.
The iron sights are good enough for me unless I plan on going beyond 100 yards.

My M1A is staying open sights. I am not afraid to shoot hogs out past 200 yards with it.

You didnt mention as to where you want to mount an optic to on your Scout?

Are you planning to mount it on the factory Scout mount, or purchase a receiver mount?

If a receiver mount is the plan, I have found that the mount with the lowest profile is the ARMS #18. This will provide for the lowest mounting solution over the receiver that I have found so far, but you may still require a cheek piece of some kind depending on the optic of choice, and what ring height you will need based on said optic of choice. Here is mine......





Note: Be advised that you will loose the cartridge clip guide with this type of mount, as the cartridge clip guide slot is utilized as one of the mounting points for the ARMS18. Not sure if this matters for you or not, but just letting you know.

Another solution that may be of interest for you is this.........
http://ultimak.com/m8.htm
This is how one achieves the lowest profile possible for this type of rifle that I have seen so far. Co-witness with iron sights using the correct mount/red dot combination should give you that "iron sight feel" while using the optic.
I haven't tried one of them as of yet, but plan to once I re-deploy back to the states.

FWIW..... I love the iron sights as well, and have taken hogs out to 240yds with them. One of...if not thee best set of iron sights ever designed for a rifle IMO.

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i have the ultimak on an older m1a 18" bush rifle & it adds alot of weight to the front of the rifle + you still have the weight of the optic. i would go with a receiver mount the one thing i will add is that a lot of the springfield receivers are slightly out of spec sadlak sells a receiver inspection kit to see if your receiver is in spec & if not custom fit one for your receiver. i do like the arms model its just the in spec receiver problems that concern me not the arms mount. before i get fried here, i have two m1a's and i have not had any problems with either, so i am not a springfield hater. btw i went sadlaks steel airborne mount for my socom, they have several models.

Jeep guy: A question for you.

How much did your M8 rail weigh with all it's respective hardware?




Worst case scenario, if one ends up with an "out of spec" receiver, you could have an ARMS18 custom fitted to said receiver.

Note: The ARMS18 mounted right up to my Norinco M14S receiver pictured above.

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i had to look it up, i can't confirm but a post on the m14 firing line forum, stated it weighed 10.25oz. + my aimpoint comp c3 at 7.1oz. adds just over a pound to the rifle. a pound may not seem like much, but it changed the balance on my perfectly balanced bush rifle. so i will probably remove it at some point. the good points are first it puts the red dot right on top of the front sight, like it was there from the factory. second it is built rock solid & was wasy to install. btw i waffled between the eotech & the aimpoint & went with the aimpoint, mostly becuse of the 5yr. battery life. i couldn't be happier with the aimpoint it has been great.

i had to look it up, i can't confirm but a post on the m14 firing line forum, stated it weighed 10.25oz. + my aimpoint comp c3 at 7.1oz. adds just over a pound to the rifle. a pound may not seem like much, but it changed the balance on my perfectly balanced bush rifle. so i will probably remove it at some point. the good points are first it puts the red dot right on top of the front sight, like it was there from the factory. second it is built rock solid & was wasy to install. btw i waffled between the eotech & the aimpoint & went with the aimpoint, mostly becuse of the 5yr. battery life. i couldn't be happier with the aimpoint it has been great.

Note: The above is quoted from jeepguy.
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Thanks for the info about the M8 brother.

The change in balance is exactly what I was wondering about, and can relate in how 1lbs on the front affects it overall, as I'm rather fond of how the Scout/Bush/Tankers all balance out for offhand shooting in particular.

Does your set up allow for co-witness?

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My M1A is a standard rifle. I have an ACOG on a Smith Enterprises reciever mount; the scope and mount total out to about one pound combined. The comb is a bit low and you really need a cheekpiece. I really don't like the add-on cheekpiece as it will shift around. If I proceed further with this project I will put on a kydex adjustable unit.

Recently I shot a socom with a Weaver scout scope at 200 yards and was very impressed with it. No need for a cheekpiece at all. I will probably put one of those Weavers on an M1 with an Amega Ranges scout mount which will behave about the same way.

fragout yes with comp c3 it does co-witness with the front sight. the dot actually sits perfectly on top of the front sight post. i don't know how to cut & paste or copy so if you google picture of m1a with ultimak & aimpoint. you will find a thread on the m14 firing line dated march 27, 2011, but the first post is from 9/07/09. there are pictures on the 3rd post, which show a picture of what the dot looks like through the reer sight & mine is the same as this one. hope this helps.

Thanks for the info jeepguy. I remember that thread as a matter of fact, and that's what got me started into looking at the Ultimak M8.

It would seem that this is the way to go for what the op is looking at, but at a cost of weight up front, as well as 200 bucks for the M8 itself.

I'm also looking into optics for the ARMS 18, and might just go with the Weaver Classic V 1-3x20 using Leuplod QRW low rings, but havent made up my mind as of yet.

The optic I had on it did sit very low, as the rear sight aperture cleared the scope by 1/8 inch or so.

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Guys, I had the same problem when I mounted a scope usuing Springfield's Third Generation scope mount on my M1A. I had to lift my head off the stock to use the scope. Not good karma, and I didn't want to drill my nice walnut NM stock. I finally solved my problem with an adhesive backed cheek piece made of some type of material similar to a rifle's butt pad. It distrbuted by Brownells. This cheek piece is available in 3 or 4 different heights and is removable without damaging your stock. It works great for me and solved my problem, and I recommend it to anyone having a "spot weld problem with a scope. Good shooting!

Like said above, the M1A iron sights are awesome, and many folks don't put scopes on these battle rifles. One shouldn't bubba a historical rifle.

And many other folks cant focus iron sights well enough LOL. Bubba do what bubba gotta do 'ya no?

kliegl you are right about these iron sights being awesome. mine is a red dot set up for low light or no light situations. however i just bought a accupoint 1-4x24 for my socom, that will go over the reciever. the reason being is with my 42yr old eyes i can really ony shoot out to about 75yds or so. after that i can hit a man sized target out to 100yds but the groups really open up. i wish i would have had one of these rifles when i was in my late 20's early 30's to take advantage of these irons. with the accupoint i should be able to hit out to around 320yds or so.

Look for a Springfield replica of the original Garand/M-14 Leather cheekpiece. MRT made many. They are stiff and need considerable softening to lace tight to the gun but are cool then. They even have a few felt pads inside to change the width of the pad. They push face out as much as up but were the standard...

And many other folks cant focus iron sights well enough LOL. Bubba do what bubba gotta do 'ya no?

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The rear sight of the M1A is an aperture, not a V sight. Thus, it doesn't require a large
focal range like open sights do, only the front blade. Anyone who can't see well enough to focus on ONE object is legally blind. Thus my comments about them being great sights. I take it you've never shot one.