sons of guns new episode

It's lame TV. You're right, it isn't for the real enthusiast. They're pandering to the masses. My favorite, the dork "hush hush" clientele with "people in harms way". Please, dungeons and dragons role play is hardly 'in harms way'.

I agree. I believe its targeted for the people who only know two types of guns: AK's and M16's. Not a true enthusiast. Just for people who see guns in movies and games i guess.

Guns, EBRs, shown in a good light, being used legally, on a major cable channel during prime time? And some of us are complaining!

Yes it's a bit silly, and aimed at the "great unwashed" public who probably don't know a clip from a magazine but its still great PR for OUR side. In fact I"m watching it right now

I cant wait to see Jerry Miculek shoot a semi auto suppressed AK faster than a full auto AK! Maybe he will even try it with a revolver

Just think of all of the teens and young adults that might be exposed to Mr. Miculek for the first time and who might be sparked to firearms ownership by a TV show like this one.

Top Shot, Sons of Guns, One Man Army, Swamp People etc. are all great shows for introducing the non shooting public to fun with guns. We of course can enjoy these shows by sitting grumpily in front of our TVs and grousing about how we just know soo much more than they do!

How many of us would rather have guns on TV be defined by shows like Law & Order, Hawaii 5-O or the clowns on PMS-NBC?

I agree; it's great for the masses.

well said

@ steven58: Very good point. I happen to agree.

Plus, I'd rather watch a lame gun show than 99% of the other trash on TV.

I grew up in a very gun un-friedly house, and later in life as I grew up I never really got the draw of recreational shooting -pardon the pun...

and who might be sparked to firearms ownership by a TV show like this one

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But that's me... since this March, I got the bug from these shows. I've gone from having a shotgun around the house from when I lived on the other side of the tracks, that was last shot sometime late"ish" last century (a day or two after it was purchased); to acquiring and shooting... and reloading ...and bullet casting for, several firearms that've been kicking around my wife's family for ages collecting dust, to adding a few more new and new to me guns to the budding arsenal along the way. Now I'm a full-on dyed in the wool NRA member, range officer, wheel weight scrounger -Oh yes friends that bug bit hard.

It's fair to say that my tastes in firearms television have become more "refined" in the last six months (for those of you at home keeping score) - less Discovery channel - more Outdoor channel, but I don't think I've jumped on the bandwagon without the nudge from Mr. Hayden and company and the others.

It's definitely good PR.

I cant wait to see Jerry Miculek shoot a semi auto suppressed AK faster than a full auto AK! Maybe he will even try it with a revolver

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Its physically impossible to do that simply because the AK fires full auto as fast as it can cycle. Unless the Suppressed AK could cycle faster it would be impossible.

I've only seen two episodes and I thought they were horrible. One of the episodes was the 1000 yard AK. I thought it was an iteresting idea, but they didn't show anything about what caliber they converted it to or what they did to accurize it other than put a new barrel on it. The whole side story about the girl who works the front breaking up with her boyfried was ridiculous. The show is definitely not for gun people but more for redneck reality show junkies.

The show has pro's and con's for Red Jacket.

Before the show, they were a small business that dealt with a niche market. Low overhead, but low workload, I'd assume.

With the show, their popularity has skyrocketed and their workload is through the roof. I don't think they care one bit if their customers are enthusiasts with a lot of firearms knowledge or if they are mall ninja wanna-bes with too much cash on hand. The cash spends either way.

From a business perspective, this show is probably one of the best things that ever happened to Red Jacket, regardless of the nonsense portrayed and the target demographic.

The con's are limited to the scope of enthusiasts who nit pick the show to death. We are the minority. They are raking in cash hand over fist because of their notoriety, can't blame them for that.

The difference is see with atleast a few of these shows is the people on them a life style that would not change regaurdless of the camerias. And that would be the gator hunters, trucking and the loggers would fall under that same group. They have done this for years or generations and will continue reguardless. Would red jacket or occ build there cr*p if it was not for tv?? nope. And occ children would have never been more than a screwed local shop with 3 people working there and red jacket will go back to being just any other local shop. The rest like one man army and the other challenge shows might be more entertaining to the masses in general.

Plus, I'd rather watch a lame gun show than 99% of the other trash on TV.

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With you on this!

Personally I don't think this show does anything positive for our cause. If anything it turns non gun owners off. The attitude and fake attitudes coupled with the fake blowing things up when they shoot a 223 into a bus will only reinforce the fear of a gun being a death ray to the uninformed. The show does little to give any real information and only displays firearms a cartoonish way. Not to mention his daughters voice is like nails on a chalk board. LOL

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I disagree, first of all most of the people who understand the problems with the show are gun folks already. People who are ignorant of guns will have difficulty picking out those fake things.

Second this is a show with a wide viewership in which guns are shown as legal, gun owners not portrayed as bloodthirsty killers, and for the most part everyone is HAPPY. Just about every episode is positive, it shows that not just anyone can walk into a gun shop and buy a machine gun, and it also shows that class3 weapons are not cheap.

BTW real information is for people who care about getting real information. Most people watch TV to be entertained. I know of plenty of non-shooters who actually watch this, and love it.

i seen the show a few times .i guess it's ok. not a big fan at all.

Would red jacket or occ build there cr*p if it was not for tv?? nope.

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I've got to disagree with you. Red Jacket has been around for much longer than their TV show. They specialize in customizing AK platform rifles / shotguns and NFA weapons, including dealer samples. Most of the gimmick guns on the show are just that, dealer samples. Who has a practical need for a triple full auto M-16? No one, not even the military. They build them because they can, and it does provide a source of revenue, even if it is only swapped between other NFA dealers and the occasional Law Enforcement Agency with an inflated budget.

As far as OCC, the chopper craze isn't anything new. It's been around since the 60's, if not earlier. They would still be making highly custom bikes, maybe only one or two a year, along with their regular work which is not portrayed on the show. Same with Sons of Guns, their regular work, the bread and butter than keeps the lights on and the employees paid, isn't what gets on TV.

The thing that the shows have done for OCC and Red Jacket is that they allow them to portray their side work center stage. Would you watch a show where all that was showed is someone dropping a new FCG into a Saiga? I wouldn't, unless I had the need for cheap instructions on how to drop a FCG into a Saiga.

I watch SoG, but I also appreciate it for what it is. Overly contrived dealer samples that will never see the public market. Dream weapons to the average joe, that we could only wish to play with.

Shops like red jacket do some very cool things, and promote shooting as a mature and fun hobby. They're feeling their way along as to what to show, so the show is evolving as it goes. I'm sure the girl in the front probably tests well with some of the doofi in the audience, so they showed that she's single now to spur viewership. Big deal. They still built a mobile rocket launcher, replica bazooka, 1000m AK, and other cool stuff.
If I owned red jacket, I wouldn't make a show with detailed instructions on how to make a 1000meter AK either. I'd let the show air and long after the net'sperts are done carping I'd still have people picking up the phone and ordering product.
These people are good at what they do. I'm happy to have a shooting program on tv that shows such a mature, scientific, and thoughtful artisanal approach to the subject.
You really think that a documentary show about hours of laborious work tuning AK's would stay on the air long? yeah-no.
When I go to gun shops I tend to have to walk through or around the gnat-like crowds of know it alls or tactical teds. Red Jacket's show saves the would-be gun consumer from that awful reality and shows a glamorous side of firearms and a fun one that we should all be happy is on the air.
It's not masterpiece theater. No one said it is. But if you don't lean forward when they're firing some of that stuff, you're dead inside.

All that stuff is light entertainment that happens to have guns.

But really; serious shooting events are not good spectator sports.
We often tell people, don't plan on coming to watch IDPA, IPSC, CAS, etc. Bring your gun, because after you have seen a little, you will want to SHOOT.

And TV is a slow way to impart detailed information, book or internet is much more efficient and not as error prone. Books are edited and a misstatement on a gunboard like this will soon be corrected. But there is a lot of egregious nonsense about guns from supposedly authoritative sources on tv.

Another point about the show is that I'm sure they have an editor that asks for specific things and leaves out other things. The whole thing with the bullet puller had to have been an editor because using those is simply and my understanding safe. Granted the whole thing about the Arisaka ammo being hard to find was silly but you have to understand, they are working with an editor.

It promotes the head Clowns business interest that's about it really.

Not sure who got paid to do this ridiculous mess of a show. Amateur league fer sure...!!!


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Yes, the whole Arisaka thing was a joke.
I wish they had spent some of the mystery Jap ammunition time on showing the inscription on the plate attached to the butt of the rifle.

There was an important area left unmentioned on the 1000 yard AK story; you had to be watching closely to pick it up.

How DID Jerry M. come out vs the full auto? I saw him fire 10 AIMED shots in 1.54 sec from an outside start signal, but was off watching the baseball game when it came Joe Gunplumber's turn with the auto. Of course the cyclic rate would let him dump ten rounds in a second or less, but were hits to be considered?

Just about every episode is positive, it shows that not just anyone can walk into a gun shop and buy a machine gun, and it also shows that class3 weapons are not cheap.

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Exactly, in the first season that kid that walked in an wanted to buy the SBS for a hunting trip that weekend that got bent when he was told that there is a lot fo paperwork that goes into getting walked out. That shows that guns are just handed out like candy.

There was an important area left unmentioned on the 1000 yard AK story; you had to be watching closely to pick it up.

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I watched this, what did I miss?

If you like NASCAR and the perpetual right turn, or house wives of Mississippi you may enjoy this.

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Doesn't NASCAR turn left?
Anyway, previous posts are right. The show sheds light on the truth about NFA weapons, and it definitely shows that 99.99999% of gun owners are just regular, if not just a bit eccentric, normal people. Obviously it doesn't interest real gun enthusiasts, but it's a start.

I like the show. Too bad my brother has taken measures to keep me away from it. Yes, he is one of those people who goes to the Violence Policy Center and then vomits up all the crap he can consume. I had to threaten him with legal action to make him stop messing with my guns and ammo.

Jim Watson said:

Yes, the whole Arisaka thing was a joke.
I wish they had spent some of the mystery Jap ammunition time on showing the inscription on the plate attached to the butt of the rifle.

There was an important area left unmentioned on the 1000 yard AK story; you had to be watching closely to pick it up.

How DID Jerry M. come out vs the full auto? I saw him fire 10 AIMED shots in 1.54 sec from an outside start signal, but was off watching the baseball game when it came Joe Gunplumber's turn with the auto. Of course the cyclic rate would let him dump ten rounds in a second or less, but were hits to be considered?

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Jerry M. Lost. I think the full auto went 1.42? I enjoy the show. No, it isn't going to make me a gunsmith but considering I have to contend with housewives of (fill in the state), project runway, or any of the "stuff" my wife watches it sure is refreshing.