Canton's "Officer" Harless' previous bad behaivor

He needs to be fired and banned nationwide from being an LEO or a armed security guard.

Him, the chief, and the counsel leader. Unfortunately this is truly a top down mentality.
don't get me wrong, i have no disrespect for the people who serve the community. But this is way over the top and needs a top down re-org. Unfortunately i don't think there is much I/we can do to help the situation, as much as id like to.
The counsel leader made it blatantly clear that canton is his city and we should keep our noses out of his business.

But is it not true that if the public is welcome, it becomes our city, regardless of one's origin?

I would assume the guy wasn't really a cop, acting like that.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this assault and possibly aggravated assault? Regardless if the person was guilty or not, threatening to murder someone in cold blood is a crime. We know for a fact that he has done this more than once and will continue to do so as long as he is an officer of the law. The fact that his superiors are aware of his actions and do nothing is absolutely deplorable.

If Mr. Hareless does not serve prison time, which I seriously doubt he will, this is a huge travesty.

Simply my opinion
Shawn

I would assume the guy wasn't really a cop, acting like that.

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HOPEFULLY soon your assumption will become correct. He should be barred from public service and prosecuted fully under the law. There is no excusing his behavior, and the fact there are MULTIPLE DOCUMENTED incidents where he has threatened people's lives and acted in a wholly unprofessional manner proves the incident that orignally caused the uproar was NOT just an isolated incident. There is absolutely NO reason this guy should be wearing a badge and carrying a gun at taxpayer expense. People often wonder how threads wander into "cop bashing" from time to time. Officer Harless, and others like him, are THE reason why. Police need to police themselves, as jerks like this give them all a black eye to a certain degree

I agree with Deltaboy!

Perhaps it's time to turn the heat up a notch and call in the Justice Department.
This guy certainly has issues and certainly has a thing about others that have guns.

Justice Department...Justice Department? Yeah....OK, I'll just get Eric right on that for ya,hey ya want some credit fairy dust with that?
robert

I will pass on the fairy dust but they(DOJ) are notorious for getting involved when a police officer uses this type of force or oppression.

IMO Harless should be, at a minimum, terminated; sent to prison for felony assault; and restricted from possession of a firearm for life. THEN we will talk about Civil Rights Violations and civil suits…after he is safely in prison where he cannot harm anyone or "put 10 rounds in you and watch you drop, and I'd sleep at night" or words to that effect.

Seattle has their own version of Harless, and they are having some Federal ride alongs... it will be interesting if the feds findings become public and what is done in Seattle. Canton, OH may want to have the same done.

Problem is hermannr is that if the feds are on the ride along the bad officers will just play chameleon and change his color for the time being.
What got me about this Harless guy is the fact that this recorded stop along with the one I read about on the Ohio concealed forum site is practically the very same speech/reaction when he finds out the detained has a gun.
Same threats of death and other mayhem.
He's going to be gone and damn soon whether he see's it coming or not.
He will be lucky if he's not the one on the wrong side of the court system.

He will be lucky if he's not the one on the wrong side of the court system.

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Heeler, if he is NOT on the wrong side of the court system, it will be further proof that there is something VERY VERY wrong.

Were you or I to conduct ourselves in that manner, we would be partaking of stripy light for a LONG time. Harless is not any more priveledged than the rest of us. A failure to follow through will give credence to those who posit that the police are Corrupt, Inassailable and that there needs to be a Reckoning.

possibly not your best example. he seems calm till about 1:30 in. then he finds the gun after asking them about weapons and thats when he goes off. isn't there a law there that you have to inform? i had to use headphones to hear it all

seems like hes got a tude about guns. they make him nervous

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Seattle has their own version of Harless, and they are having some Federal ride alongs... it will be interesting if the feds findings become public and what is done in Seattle. Canton, OH may want to have the same done.

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Seattle has a few of these bottomfeeders. Not to mention, that in Seattle, the cop may actually follow through --and then get away with it.

I have no idea how it got this bad here with the crooked cops. I really don't. I've lived in places that actually had crime, like Memphis, Birmingham, Atlanta, Cincinnati --you get it. Seattle, for those of you that don't know, is not crime free, but it has far, far less crime than any other city I've been in. For instance, we don't have a "hood". Sure, there are places people here call the hood, but it isn't the "hood". There isn't a neighborhood I would feel scared to walk through. Apprehensive maybe, but not scared like 2am Saturday in the Ward in Memphis.

Nevertheless, there are plenty of cops here that act like Daniel Harless. No shortage of them. And like the fellow said, they are under investigation... In fact, there are articles on here about most of the big situations.

Nothing gets me wound up like a crooked cop. Nothing. Ignorant cops are one thing, hassling the citizens over things they "think" is the law (here if it isn't expressly in the written law, it isn't law at all) but the citizenry should not suffer a crooked cop.

I try to think of a similar scenario in the military and I can't. They don't suffer that kind of BS there. Sure, aspiring murderers join the infantry to become real murderers without going to jail (the smart murderer I guess) but they don't do too well when they work outside of their rules of engagement. Then they end up in Leavenworth, 25yrs. hard labor.

Cops are just civilians. Civilians that have taken an oath and have a duty to the public. They are not military or above the law. When they break that oath they should pay with their jobs. When they break the civilian law, they should pay like the rest of us.

But I guess that is too much to ask for, and thus, why cops are increasingly in general viewed in disgust.

IMO Harless should be, at a minimum, terminated; sent to prison for felony assault; and restricted from possession of a firearm for life. THEN we will talk about Civil Rights Violations and civil suits…

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Before you sentence the man to hang, could you share with the group exactly when he assaulted someone or committed a felony assault? Did I miss a portion of the video?

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this assault and possibly aggravated assault?

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No, it is neither.

Perhaps it's time to turn the heat up a notch and call in the Justice Department.

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PERHAPS it's time to let those tasked with the investigation take over.



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Conjecture by people who know nothing about Ohio law, legal procedures, or the issue at hand are undoubtedly what prompted the Canton official to tell outsiders to shove it. I commend him for having the testicles to do so!


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I'm all for banning Officer Harless threads so the internet attorneys, civil rights superheros, policy, procedure and ethics experts can get back to their day jobs. Believe it or not there are actually EDUCATED, QUALIFIED, WELL TRAINED people who are tasked with handling this matter.

seems like hes got a tude about guns. they make him nervous

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I'm wondering if he has some PTSD going on or something. He does seem to get agitated w/gun toters.

Sadly, this type of "power-gone-to-the-head" behavior can be very infectious unless it's stamped down quickly. There are many people at fault here... not just Officer Harless. Every Officer who witnessed this type of erratic behavior as well as all of Harless' supervisors, especially his Chief, are to blame as well. Maybe even the Mayor.

IMO Harless should be, at a minimum, terminated; sent to prison for felony assault; and restricted from possession of a firearm for life. THEN we will talk about Civil Rights Violations and civil suits…
Before you sentence the man to hang, could you share with the group exactly when he assaulted someone or committed a felony assault? Did I miss a portion of the video?

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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this assault and possibly aggravated assault?
No, it is neither.

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To be fair, what constitutes an assault varies quite a bit between jurisdictions. While this may not constitute an assault in Ohio, putting someone in fear of imminent harm could constitute an assault in other jurisdictions. The Officer saying on tape he should take the guy and put a few bullets in his head - yeah, I'm pretty sure you could find an attorney to take that case in those jurisdictions. Point being, I could see why ATBackPackin thought this might be an assault, even if it's not technically one in Ohio.

That said, I would be shocked if there aren't a number of other torts that could be asserted against the officer in Ohio. Also, the notion that "EDUCATED, QUALIFIED, WELL TRAINED" are handling this and we should just trust in their wisdom... I'm all for optimism, but have you LOOKED at the track record of the U.S. government recently? =P

I'm all for banning Officer Harless threads so the internet attorneys, civil rights superheros, policy, procedure and ethics experts can get back to their day jobs. Believe it or not there are actually EDUCATED, QUALIFIED, WELL TRAINED people who are tasked with handling this matter.

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I seriously doubt it if with the video evidence, that he is still wearing a badge after the better part of 2 months since the incident occurred.

Once again, this topic is not appropriate for THR.