UK has higher violent crime rate than USA?

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Received an email from NRA-ILA last night. It mostly discussed the riots that took place in the UK this past week and how their people have been disarmed and could not defend themselves. There was also an interesting link to an article from July 2009 from UK's Daily Mail. It states that violent crime rates in the UK are near the top in Europe and are even higher than the USA.

Below is the link to the Daily Mail article.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ry-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

How true is this??? I'm very surprised at the stats. Why haven't these arguments been tossed back at the antis? Or have they? I know that the numbers are from 2009 but I also know that the US numbers have remained relatively static. I can't imagine the UK numbers going from 2K per 100K to anywhere near the US numbers in 2 years...

Below is the link to the NRA-ILA report/email:

MODS - If this is in the wrong section, please move. I was going to put it in Legal, but it didn't quite fit there.


http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=7025
 
They have been thrown but they just don't listen. Ive been told by these "ANTIS" that the statistics don't come from a reliable source :rolleyes: .
 
The UK has had a higher rate of violent crime than the US for several years. It just doesn't fit in the world view that some people want to force on us, so it's never brought up... and never believed when it does come to light.
 
It doesn't help that the Scotland Yard had been under-reporting crime in the UK for a while. They got in trouble a few years ago when it was found out.
 
Wow that is a great article!

Social economic, lack of corporal punishment, immigration etc etc is always the catch phrase and is blamed for everything. Arm just 5% of the Ducks and teach them how to shoot and there would be a lot less duck hunters!
 
I recall UN advice that you were more likely to be a crime victim in London than in many US big cities.

One, the antis ignore that non-gun violent crime is more prevalent in UK than US (including crimes like "home invasion robbery" or "hot burglary" which is likely to be deterred by possession of arms for self-defense). More restriction on self-defense, more non-gun crime.

Two, the antis point out that UK has tougher gun laws than the US and less gun crime (they ignore that UK gun crime was less before the 1920 Firearms Act, lower before the 1968 Firearms Act, and has risen since the 1996-1997 virtual ban on handguns). More gun restriction, more gun crime.

Three, the antis don't want to acknowledge that as right-to-carry for self-defense has become the prevalent rule in US state gun law since 1986, the crime rate including murder, has gone down in the US. More gun rights for the law abiding, less gun crime and less non-gun crime.
 
People choose to believe what they want to. What they believe is not necessarily based on facts whether it be on the pro-gun or anti-gun side of the coin.
 
The amount of property damage is/was great...
But low amount, human death, compared to Riots In USA...

They will look at that as a plus against firearms I have to think

Here is some info...

Looking for answers, asking Bill Bratton (ex LAPD Chief), to visit...
He wants to be in charge of Scotland Yard, he has mentioned:what:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2011/08/06/cameron-wants-american-to-lead-scotland-yard.html

A US crime expert enlisted by Cameron to help curb gangs after this weeks riots has said, that solving the problem was more complex than just arresting people.

Former New York police commissioner Bill Bratton who was a key figure in imposing zero-tolerance police in New York said the solution was robust and community based policing was necessary to nip gang culture in the bud.

"It is going to require a lot of intervention and prevention strategies and techniques," Bratton told in an interview in US.

He said he had agreed to visit Britain in coming months to give advice.
 
I believe England's violent crime rate is higher than ours, but our murder rate is much higher than theirs. This, then, becomes an argument of which set of stats to use.

No one can argue that their crime rates have increased since they have increased the strictness of their gun laws.
 
Statistics are easily manipulated, especially if your audience is intellectually lethargic. Most people give very little time to actually listening to what they're told, so if the mass media says, "Violent gun deaths in the US are 80% higher in the US than in England" it has enough ring of truth to be believed. The key to that statement is 'gun deaths'. Throw the word 'violent' in front of it and the listener is distracted enough to overlook the fact that guns are all but banned in England, so naturally 'gun deaths', violent or otherwise, will be lower.

It’s really no different here in this forum; whenever someone mentions open carry, the sound bites come in and the brains turn off. The greatest thing America can do to ensure its future is to demand the schools start teaching critical thinking skills instead of mindless rote learning.
 
This information is about violence in Britain

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ry-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.
Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.



In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677. The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.
 
I won't quote sources because you can find them for yourselves on the internet if you really want them.

Violent crime, excluding murder, is higher in the UK than in the US.

For whatever reason we Americans have been killing each other much more often than the Brits kill each other for as long as reliable statistics have existed. Even if you go back to 1900 when the UK had no gun control laws whatsoever and we had very few we were still killing each other much more than over there in the UK.

Its a cultural thing.
 
Britain has always been more violent that the United States. In the UK, you get roving gangs of Football hooligans who beat people up and smash things. When was the last time you saw Gridiron fans doing such things? Britain is more violent. Even my British-born now naturalized American anti-gun father admits this. And if you think England is bad, just look at Australia and New Zealand. In all of those countries, more than a quarter of the people have been victimized by violent crime in the last year and a huge chunk does not feel safe at home, or walking in the dark.
 
The under-reporting kings on crime are the Japanese. A lot of it is cultural, they have a tendency to paper over problems. They do that with their economy, nuclear plants, and car defects also.

Actually, as crime goes, the US has been more or less getting steadily better for 100 years. This is in spite of the fact things that would have never been reported as crimes when I was a kid are now reported, for many reasons, one of the biggest being insurance/lawsuits - you either must make a report, or to avoid liability later it's a good idea to make a report. When I was a kid, differences were settled with your fists in a way that would get all participants and half the spectators arrested today.
 
I recall UN advice that you were more likely to be a crime victim in London than in many US big cities.

One, the antis ignore that non-gun violent crime is more prevalent in UK than US (including crimes like "home invasion robbery" or "hot burglary" which is likely to be deterred by possession of arms for self-defense). More restriction on self-defense, more non-gun crime.

Two, the antis point out that UK has tougher gun laws than the US and less gun crime (they ignore that UK gun crime was less before the 1920 Firearms Act, lower before the 1968 Firearms Act, and has risen since the 1996-1997 virtual ban on handguns). More gun restriction, more gun crime.

Three, the antis don't want to acknowledge that as right-to-carry for self-defense has become the prevalent rule in US state gun law since 1986, the crime rate including murder, has gone down in the US. More gun rights for the law abiding, less gun crime and less non-gun crime.

Win.

This post is full of it
 
nationmaster.com...what the heck is that?

But anyway, per capita it still lists the UK two spots above the US.

Also, I question a list that puts the UK 6 and the US 8, per capita, with Mexico 39
 
I'm sorry to say this folks,but it sickens me to the stomach, that I have to suffer this politically-correct propaganda, nearly everyday. I also meant that these do-gooders blame us for something terrible, by using us as scapegoats, much like the EDL use decent Muslims as scapegoats. In 1980 for example my Section 1 License. I didn't have one then, but I wished that I was older & I did :) Would of got me an AR-15 rifle, a L1A1 SLR a gunsmith could convert for me, an M16A1 to semi-auto & the cops & politicians wouldn't of batted an eyelid then.

I can tell you this now, In 1991 there were only 127 incidents of gun crime for the whole year, attended to by PT17 & later on that year, by the newly-formed SO19. Nowdays the figure for gun crime is Four thousand & something. Society changed for the worse, as the society in Britain back in 1980 was different to the society that we have now -- particularly amongst young people, as you guys might have seen in our wonderful London riots, on the TV.

When I was in Elementary school, no youngster was interested in real handguns, or wanted one to cap someones leg with one & none knew what an MP5 was & the only guns kids liked were pellet guns. The first time I saw a Glock 17 on British TV, was featured in the cop show, The Bill in 1993. I wish that I could turn back time. I shall find the statistics & post them on here.
 
I Think part of the problem in the UK is the police and the courts are too soft on criminals. Someone here found guilty of murder can, with 50% remission, be out in 10 years or less, you just have to look at the recent riots where the police stood and watched properties being looted and burnt down, and civilians whom they are supposed to protect being attacked, one 68 year old man being beat to death.

I Used to think the police in England should be armed to help deal with some violent crimes. But after some operations carried out by armed response units, shooting a Innocent man 7 times in the head etc I am not so sure.
 
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My answer to the antis is simple: if gun control is working so well, why are more British police officers carrying firearms than ever before?

The UK has some deep-seated social problems, including very high unemployment among young people and the same problems with new immigrants that are being encountered in other European countries.
 
According to this article, the violent crime rate in Canada is twice that of the U.S. which defies the conventional wisdom and really surprises me.
 
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