The Ultimate Air rifle

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Can anyone recommend an air rifle with the following? :

First it has to be a pump or spring- NO CO2! and no charging via scuba or CO2 tanks

Second, Accuracy has to be very good.

Third, multi-shot BB is a must. I don't think there is multi-shot pellet, right?

I can find any 1 or 2 of these features but all 3 together in a nicely built rifle seem to be hard to find. I'd even go for a pistol.

Any ideas?
 
That thing is garbage. I have one... it shoot "OK" but it's a Chinese plastic loose all over toy. I want something able to shoot out to at least 30-40 yards and some nice hardwood stock at least.
 
You ask a lot, and I don't think you're likely to find what you're looking for. Not new anyways. Airguns have diverged into 2 different paths: cheap BB guns for kids, and high-end, accurate single-shot pellet guns. There's no real middle ground anymore because it's no longer socially acceptable for kids to have decently-powered air rifles and adults either want real guns or powerful pellet guns. There's almost NO market for a pump multi-shot BB gun anymore.
 
You're not going to find a hardwood stock in anything that is a multi-shot BB repeater. Warden Wolf explained the market fairly well, and all the nicer, higher powered air rifles marketed towards adults are the only ones with good hard wood stocks, but they are no good for BBs ( steel BBs wear out the rifling anyway, but mostly because the way they are loaded ) and they're only single shot.

I think the closest you're going to get what you want is something like a Crosman 2100 or a Daisy 880 or 953. They are ten-pump variable pump guns. The Crosman 2100 has a 17 shot internal magazine for BBs, and the Daisy's have an internal reservoir that deposits a BB into the chamber when the action is pulled. You have to fire pellets one at a time with the 2100, but I believe the Daisy models accept a 5-shot cilp that you can push through the action one shot at a time.

I can personally recommend the Crosman 2100 ( also branded as a Remington AirMaster77, same rifle though ) as I've had great results with it inside of 25 yards. Penny sized groups are easily accomplished. I personally feel like 30-40 yards it starts holding groups a little less tight ( maybe an inch or two ), but I've pested crows and ground squirrels with it at that range so you can still do plenty of plinking with it.

One thing you're going to want to realize right off with accuracy... BBs and accuracy do not go together. You might be able to use lead balls, but they probably will not make good contact with the rifling so won't be that accurate either. Steel BBs on the other hand will wear your rifling down, so you shouldn't mix the gun you want to use for BB plinking with the one you want to use for any sort of long-range shooting.

In any case, if the plastic stocks are really a deal breaker, you might be able to find both an older 2100 or 880 that are still in wood, but there's no telling if the rifling in them is still any good since they were intended as BB/Pellet guns.
 
BBs and accuracy do not go together.
Correct. The best accuracy with steel BBs is going to be at close range (5 yds or so) and with a smooth bore. Lead BBs are generally sized to engage the rifling and will provide good accuracy with a rifled barrel. But because they're a little bigger than the steel BBs, there is a small potential for them to jam feeding systems designed for steel BBs.

Multi-shot pump or spring-piston airguns are not particularly common. This is the only one I know of off the top of my head. I don't know what the quality level is, not even sure if they're still available.

http://xisicousa.com/xs-b9-1.html
 
As a kid I owned a springer crosman bb-gun, that took 22 4.5mm bb's and the spring was loading by pumping the barrel. It was an M1 carbine look-alike. Gave it away:banghead:. It was just accurate enough to shoot a sparrow offhand at 15 yard.

For the ultimate air rifle: Weirauch has some very good shooters but none combine your wishes: the model HW 100 has a 14 shot pellet (in 4.5, 5 or 5.5 mm) but has an presurized air container.
HW97 is a very good springer but single shot. In its 5.5mm 40 joule version it is accurate and deadly on pigeon up to 60 yards.
They are expensive: between 500 and 1000 euros.

Have fun

Peter
 
First off, if it's made to shoot BB's then it's basically a toy. BB's are very inaccurate and they will damage the bore. Because of this, no one is going to design a decent rifle to shoot them.

So far as I know, there are only two rifles that meet your criteria: the BSA Goldstar and the Theoben SLR98. Expect to cough up some serious dough. The Theoben starts out at around $1200 while the Goldstar went for around $700 back before it was discontinued.

Two other models that don't cost nearly as much or perform nearly as well and don't have wood stocks are the Xisico B5-10 and Xisico B9-1. Both are multishot repeaters. The B5-10 is a medium powered multipump with a collapsible skeletonized stock. The B9-1 is a low powered springer.

Now if you want to get a serious rifle and not go broke doing it, forget about the multi-shot requirement. Old Sheridans and Benjamins are great multipumps complete with wood stocks. The new models aren't quite as good, but they still beat the Chinese guns I listed up above all to hell and back.

There are a ton of good springers on the market, but if you want to keep the price reasonable and still get a quality gun, I'd suggest an RWS34. Again, forget about the multishot requirement.

If you must have a multishot rifle and you really want wood and high performance, your only other option is to go precharged. Good PCP's are awesome rifles. With my AA S410E I can shoot MOA out to 50 yards and do it almost silently and I do have a 10 shot mag. Out at 100 yards the groups open up a bit, (pellets aren't made for distance), but I can still keep all my shots inside a 2" circle. What's more, I'm doing all this with a rifle that produces more power than just about any production multipump or springer.
 
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By BBs I assume you mean circular balls - you're never going to get an accurate gun shooting them things!

Pellet is the answer for accuracy, they can be semi-automatic too, with 10 pellet magazines, but these require the pre-charging you say you dont want.
 
I have a crosman junker now I can hit a ping pong ball with at 30 yards with BB's. It also takes a .177 single shot. I don't want to sling a lot of lead around my yard, I have fruit trees and a garden and it's not really environmentally sound. Non-lead pellets are super expensive and/or don't perform well. I'm just looking for something a little nicer, maybe a wood stock and a little more power. I abhor the use of CO2 and precharging. I guess no such thing exists.
 
My ultimate BB is multi shot in one firing and is pump powered.

Sorry its a sideways phone video but you can play it by clicking on the photo.
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BB= bowling ball

X rounds= 2 16lb balls

Pump powered = 9hp 2 stage compressor

I wouldn't call it super accurate but if it makes contact you can tell.

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Third, multi-shot BB is a must. I don't think there is multi-shot pellet, right?
Generally, anything shooting BB's is a toy and is likely to produce toy-like accuracty. There are multi-shot pellet guns, but they tend to be on the pricey side and many of them are PCP (pre-charged pneumatics which require high pressure pumps or scuba tanks to fill) or high-end (if you want accuracy) CO2 guns. If you have to stop between every shot to cock the spring or pump the cylinder, the exta effort of loading pellets individually isn't that much more hassle.

Are you looking for a hunting rifle, a plinking rifle or a target rifle?
 
Get a nitro piston breakbarrel. Crosman/Benjamin have some with nice hardwood stocks. You lose multi-BB capability, but they are quick to load and cock, so each shot is much faster than a BB pump repeater.

For more info, head over to GTA: http://gatewaytoairguns.org/
 
I have a crosman junker now I can hit a ping pong ball with at 30 yards with BB's. It also takes a .177 single shot. I don't want to sling a lot of lead around my yard, I have fruit trees and a garden and it's not really environmentally sound. Non-lead pellets are super expensive and/or don't perform well. I'm just looking for something a little nicer, maybe a wood stock and a little more power. I abhor the use of CO2 and precharging. I guess no such thing exists.

Well, you could make your own stock for the Crosman. There are probably some power mods you could do as well. There used to be an airgunsmith named Gene Sunday who did this kind of thing, but I don't think he's in business anymore. If you ask around on the airgun forums they might be able to tell you. Keep in mind that good work won't be dirt cheap. I wouldn't expect to pay an arm and a leg for a reworked and restocked Crosman, but I would expect to pay at least $100, probably more like $200 and that's still cheap.

One other reason nobody ever made a powerful bb gun is because bb's have a reputation for less accuracy at higher power levels. Daisy actually makes a competition BB gun. It has a very tight bore that loads from the muzzle and a very low velocity even compared to Red Ryder style bb guns. According to Daisy the low velocity is intended to maximize the accuracy potential of the bb's.
 
Missed the part about no lead. Okay, look for an older 760 pumpmaster. Some came with wood stocks, cast receivers and rifled barrels.
 
Another one to look at would be the Crosman 2100. Higher FPS, built much more like a real rifle than the 760.
 
I've had a crossman 760 pumpmaster for a few years now. It's taken it's share of rabbits, rats, squirrels, and one good sized rattlesnake.

It's pretty darned accurate out to about 50ft.

15-20 pumps is all I need for a kill shot. Not loud at all, either.


It'll shoot steel bb's, or .177 pellets in a 5 round magazine. It's plastic, sure, but It hasn't worn out with tons of almost-daily use. It's similar to a Mossberg 500, in that all the important parts are steel/metal. The plastic simply makes it a nice, light package.

Confusing thing is that OP said he/she has one and considers it junk, though. I respectfully have to disagree.

For me and several of my co-workers/friends it's been a great choice:

-very accurate
- allows for choice of ammo. (great if you can ONLY find one or the other at home or at the store)
-stores bb's in stock/or you can put mags of pellets in your pocket
-needs nothing to fire (pump)
-MORE than powerful enough to anchor small game.
-Allows you to adjust power. 3-5 pumps is just right to smack the backside of wayward cats/birds without hurting them.

[shrug]

It's been worth every bit of $49.00 I paid for it. I'd certainly buy another one.

Good luck in your search
 
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I had a 760 with rifled barrel as a kid and ran tens of thousands of BBs and pellets through it. Only failures were from misuse, IE breaking the sight by dropping it a lot, torquing the barrel assembly trying to disassemble incorrectly and breaking the receiver. It still worked after this. I have a 760 now, but they are smoothbore. Mine was 25 bucks at WW.
 
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