Long day ended by a bakground check denial :(

Wow! That's all I can say.

TennJed said:

this is very alarming to me...maybe this is extreme....but what is to keep someone ( anti for example ) on calling the authorities telling them somone is acting crazy and threatening suicide....now that person might be place on watch "just in case"....if someone just wanted to destroy a customers gun rights it seems like they could (in some states anyway)

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Slanderous statements have consequences too, criminal I believe.

Did you give them your ss number? If not, you might be confused with any number of other people. Really, anyone who wants that number already has it, and I cannot understand why people just don't give it when filling out the check form. You're there to buy a firearm, not to play secret agent man with the government. They already know who you are. If they want to.

vellocet said:

Did you give them your ss number? If not, you might be confused with any number of other people. Really, anyone who wants that number already has it, and I cannot understand why people just don't give it when filling out the check form. You're there to buy a firearm, not to play secret agent man with the government. They already know who you are. If they want to.

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One good reason NOT to furnish a SS number is that 4473 paperwork ends up in the FFLs files for whatever retention period is required, particularly if the transfer is denied.

Now with all due respect to FFLs, some of the gun shops I've visited don't look so well organized from the counter; I can only imagine what the back office looks like. Who knows who can pore over those forms while they sit in some file drawer turning to faded-yellow?

I've personally been victimized on more than one occasion by night janitors who helped themselves to mine, and maybe others, credit card information and had a grand old time on shopping sprees.

I do agree that giving out a SS number to the feds is fine, they already know it anyway.

Geckgo said:

Might have something to do with the fact that you changed your DL address that day. I'd say see what the FBI has to say before we jump the gun on this one.

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^^ this ^^

At this point, speculating that it has anything to do with mental health is exactly that - speculation.

This is a strange conflict. Many liberals want mental health covered by insurance but seem to be all for taking gun rights away if there is a minor hickup along the road of life.

About 11 years ago, I kept looking at every bridge abutment as a good place to end things after my marriage came apart at the end of a cross state bicycle tour. I didn't want to do anything to my wife or the boy friend. I just wanted to end my pain.

That want of ending the pain was countered by the grief experienced by my wife when her father committed suicide a year before. Suicide is often a very selfish act and harms those that are left.

I suspect a lot of us have been to the edge before and we stayed sane though we had some crazy thoughts running loose in our minds for a while.

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Sorry to hear that happend to you. Suicide is a terrible thing, one recently happened at my school, another example of how the "no guns allowed" signs dont work....

I read this somewhere... I think in my trust documents. If you get adjudicated mentally defective for whatever reason, you need to get a document from another doctor saying otherwise, that you are fine now. That isn't a permanent denial I don't believe, but you may have to jump through hoops.

They also could have done it by mistake. I've been denied once before, they didn't tell me why, I couldn't figure out why, went somewhere else and I haven't had a problem since. This was years ago when they started doing it. I don't use a SSN though, and my name is sort of popular where I'm from, lots of crustukniks about the same age with the same name.

BUT. We have new CCW permits, my wife has hers already, I'll get mine when I renew, and we don't have to go through the background check anymore. We already have no wait with CCW permits. Pays to have a carry permit around here. Shall issue too? Why sure!

Toforo said:

^^ this ^^

At this point, speculating that it has anything to do with mental health is exactly that - speculation.

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True, I bet your new address didn't match up with what they have access to!

Wait a week or so and try again. Remember, not all denials make sense.

I would wait until you hear back. It might look like you are trying to sneak by your background...

Once you know why, you can take whatever action is open to you to get your gun rights back.

I just figured out what happened:

" . . . the attorney I spoke to at the hospital said it wouldn't effect my gun rights if I didn't appeal . . ."

There's your problem, you took the advice of somebody elses lawyer.

KennyTHX said:

Should I actually try to do another background check again or just wait for a response from the NICS?

I'm a little worried that I'm not going to get a response from them because I accidentally left out my middle initial on the letter. According to the sales clerk, if you don't follow the directions to the letter they just toss them and don't even let you know.

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Since you asked, my recommendation is that you wait it out and do not try "another background check" by attempting to purchase a gun.

If you believe the letter you sent had incomplete information, promptly send them another letter with the deficiencies corrected, and a note explaining why you are doing so.

I might offer other advice if you had absolutely no idea why you may have been denied, in this case I think you should see it through. An attorney, who's meter was running at the time, advised me not to do anything that might confuse the government. It was good advice at the time, now that it's been fully amortized, I share it free of charge

I don't read that as disqualifying someone in VA as it also seems to require a judge making a determination.

The clerk of court shall also, as soon as practicable but no later than the close of business on the next following business day, forward upon receipt to the Central Criminal Records Exchange (this is the STATE POLICE), on a form provided by the Exchange, certification of any person who has been the subject of a temporary detention order pursuant to § 37.2-809, and who, after being advised by the judge or special justice that he will be prohibited from possessing a firearm pursuant to § 18.2-308.1:3, subsequently agreed to voluntary admission pursuant to § 37.2-805.

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