Pawn shop Mannlicher Schoenaur

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Of all of the fine rifles made in the 20th Century, the Mannlicher Schoenaur has always held a special place. A go to Safari rifle. Small, deadly. W.D.M. Bell killed elephant with one in 256 Mannlicher. Hemingway bought one for his wife, actually several for his wives to take on an African Safari. They are also a very neat looking rifle, with the wood heading to the front sight in the carbine models.

Of course they are expensive. If you want a new one you are out of luck. No longer made. After WWII the Austrians made these rifles in not only their old pre-war classic issues, but in classic American calibers like the 30-06 and .243.

Hemingway killed Rino with his Griffin and Howe custom made 30/06. He would probably not hesitate to take one with a rifle like the one shown here.

I strolled into a pawn shop and was nearly knocked over by the rifle hanging on the wall. It was in bad shape. A homemade recoil pad, dinged up from obvious heavy use? Africa?

Price $450. Handy and fast. With 220 grain solids bear and moose medicine.
 
Nice old rifle. I'm not sure about a butterknife bolt for dangerous game, but moose? You bet. Is this a .30-06? You weren't clear on that point. And show off that whole thing man!
 
beutiful rifle congrats, and at $450 you absolutely got a steal. they typically run in the 1k and up most ive seen is $2900. ha,ha, like dr.rob said show the whole thing man:)
 
The rifle is in 30-06. It shoots pretty good. It has never been scoped, no drilled holes anywhere. Has a flip up rear sight marked 300 (yds? prolly).

When I bought it the front sight which is either bronze or an amalgam of gold was pounded down. The front sight guard was gone. I suspect it was hammered down while on Safari somewhere. Therefore, even with a severe 6 o'clock hold and a very fine bead it shot high as a cat's back. So I had to replace the front sight with a higher blade with ivory looking bead. Now she shoots right on at 100 yds.

I'll take another picture and post it. rifles019.jpg
 
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It is a shame that the original butt plate is gone. I suspect that some guy bought it for his wife to take on a hunt. She must have complained about the recoil so he chopped off the end of the butt and attached a homemade recoil pad. It was really terrible, several slabs of rubber and plastic. It may have been a field replair.

I had it removed and put on the one you see. The rifle does kick, and I appreciate that recoil pad. It is not punishing to shoot. It is a little short, but not bad. The sights are fine, but I'll never scope it. It is rare to find one that was not buggered up with some off the wall scope mount. Because of the split receiver it takes some kind of side mount.

It is a close range rifle. I have only shot it at paper. Carrying it is like carrying a Red Rider BB gun. Be a great hog rifle.
 
Shame on you! You stole that rifle.You should feel awful.I will help ease your guilt by giving you $500 for it.:).That is a fine rifle,and what a deal.
 
Shame on you! You stole that rifle.You should feel awful.I will help ease your guilt by giving you $500 for it.:).That is a fine rifle,and what a deal.
That's nice of you. Yep, I enjoy the rifle. Just read the new book on Hemingway's rifles and it has a story on the model 1952 that Hem bought for Mary, his last wife. She left it to a friend of theirs in Idaho.

My rifle therefore is not the old 1903 model, and if you know the old rifle you can see the difference. The older issue had a straighter bolt handle that was mounted a bit more foreward. Hemingways' came with the double set triggers, but he had it changed to a single, since Americans really don't cotton to the European type trigger. I don't know if mine is factory original or not.

I have touched the metal here and there where it had chunks knocked out of it. From a few feet it looks much better than it did when I bought it.

Really though, I never thought that I'd ever own one. They have an interesting history of being African hunting rifles. Small and deadly.

I also bought a Steyr Mannlicher in another pawn shop. I got it for $1200, not exactly cheap, but about half of what a new one costs. It is a .243. It also sports a mannlicher stock. Has that twisty barrel. Fancy rifle, totally mint. I have yet to shoot it. It is a very different gun and I don't like the way the bolt handle wiggles, but that's no biggie. That rifle has double set triggers. It also has blond wood. Also no scope. Nice open sights. Easier to see than the 1952 carbine sights.

When one holds the two rifles up next to oneanother it's easy to see that the 1952 carbine is neater, but the newer rifle is absolutely new. I'll have to put them together and snap a pic and post it.
 
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nice rifle. i have a pair of 1903's.
i still prefer them in the metric calibers & with the early straight down bolt handle.
eventualy i'll find me a nice one in 9.5ms
 
Mannlicher stock, butter knife bolt, classic action and in the classic 06. Pretty much the perfect rifle! Very nice find!
 
Sweet! I love old rifles like that one, and my beloved Mauser 98's. They don't make classy things like this anymore. :)
 
You have a very nice MS 30-06 Carbine there. They are dear to my heart since my favorite uncle left me his he bought from Abercrombie and Fitch in the late 50s to replace his Mauser Sporter 8mm he brought back from the war. He had Abercrombie put on (they had good gunsmiths in those days not just clothing) a Karl Kapps 4x scope in Paul Jager detachable side mounts and hunted up state NY and Penn. during the seasons until he died when I was in the Nam . I keep it very nice and only hunted it a few times with those 220 grain torpedoes it is sighted in with!
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Someplace in these pages someone compared the Steyr Mannlicher and the Mannlicher Schoenaur. Since I own both I thought I'd post this picture of them. Very different rifles, but also similar in feel and quality. I'd like to have one of the 1903's. But the 1952 is pretty nice. rifles027.jpg The Steyer is a .243.
 
BTW: I bought both of these rifles in pawn shops. Right now, with the lousy economy good pawn shops are chocked full of nice old guns. Good shops won't accept junk. Man, you can get nice Remington Model 11's, which are really Browing Auto 5's (not interchangable) for $200 to $250 and those Model 11's, especially the 20's, are very nice shotguns indeed.
 
Nice!

I have been lusting after a 1950 for about 40 years but never have got one.

A guy I served with in the Army had a .270 he bought at the post PX in Germany for little of nothing I suppose. At least in todays dollars.

For sure one nice, if somewhat obsolete piece of machinery!!
But I love old Winchesters, and they are somewhat obsolete too.
Just like me!

rc
 
Yeah, I could buy a new Hi-Power at the PX for $104 in the 70's. That was in the US. I don't think you can bring guns onto the base anymore. Not sure.

I'd like a 1903 too in one of the metric calibers, but I think my MS days are over. The 9.3 would be big bear medicine. It is just astounding how much power they crammed into these little MS rifles.

I like old Winchesters too, but I only have one Model 70. An early .270. Nice rifle.

I passed on a relic of African hunts, a Rigby take down .318. Cost was $4,400. It had some nice wear, obviously used pretty hard, but it was a tight rifle and it would have been wonderful to own. But 4.4G's is 4.4G's and them G's don't grow on trees!
 
You have found one of the finer guns ever created. The mannlichers were built with very minimal tolerances and are a true engineering piece of art. Look at the magazine with the case release button. The flip up 300yd sight. The butterknife bolt handle. It screams luxury sporting rifle from a time that people were proud of what they built. I personally own ten full stocks, three take Downs, and three mca's. So u can safely say that I love the rifle and have no doubt that u will as well. Hang on to that one for good.
 
You have found one of the finer guns ever created. The mannlichers were built with very minimal tolerances and are a true engineering piece of art. Look at the magazine with the case release button. The flip up 300yd sight. The butterknife bolt handle. It screams luxury sporting rifle from a time that people were proud of what they built. I personally own ten full stocks, three take Downs, and three mca's. So u can safely say that I love the rifle and have no doubt that u will as well. Hang on to that one for good.
I'm blown away! What a fantastic collection of Mannlicher Schoenaurs! Tell me about the long rifle takedowns. Do they hold zero? When Heminway went on his 1953 safari Mary used a takedown long barreled rifle that they borrowed from the PH. I think in .256 MS. Not sure.

I suspect that you have all of the calibers. How does the 9.3 shoot? Have you taken any of them to Africa? If so, how'd they do? Do you hunt with them here? What about scopes? I see many with various scope mounts, usually side mounts of some sort. Do you have a favorite?

Hemingway, of course, never used a scope. I don't think is wives did either.

Do any of your rifles have those wonderful Austrian claw mounts?

Thanks for reeling in. I'm so happy that you have such a wonderful collection! It must be something to see.

The MS has a certain charm, that you obviously sense. Just having one is a great. I like the Steyr Mannlicher too for that matter.
 
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The collection is a hand me down from my great grandfather that was started almost 85 years ago. Ill post some pics when I get back into town. As u know, the takedowns in carrying cases are some of the rarer guns. Sad to say though that only three of these guns are ever fired regularly. They are all mca's made in 62 I believe. They're are 30-06,.270, & .243. The collection from what I've been told is one of the largest in the country. My great grandfather knew what he was looking at when he started. These guns have been passed from generation to generation with no intent of selling. They currently are sitting in 2 climate controlled safes. Next to those are the two Belgian Browning safes. We've been blessed in the firearm area.
 
I do not have the new book on Hemingway's guns; I will try to find it; anyone have the IPSN No.?. G&H are now supposedly reproducing Hem's G&H built Springfeld. I too thought -- from reading Hem's stories -- that Hem did not use a scope. However, I am told that he had a single lever G&H sidemount on his Springfield that must have been side-by-side with his iron sight, rather than the usual over/ under with removal of scope if iron is to be used. If this is correct, then how did Hem rig it to get his quick choice target picture either scope/iron from one cheek piece and cromb height?
 
Why is it that every time my income goes up I learn of a new awesome, beautiful gun which I simply must purchase? Damn you and your great find! :)
 
I have a M64 I got at A&F in NYC in the early 70s - it had never been scoped so I had their in house GS (Griffen & Howe) fit their quick detach scope mount - it has been a wonderful rifle and I have used it for Deer and Boar and on one occasion squirrel. It is a very handy rifle in the woods. Treat them with care the stocks are a bit fragile at the wrist. Lovely classic rifles.

I miss A&F they had a great gun department and very knowledgeable staff - always interesting.
 
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