Shotguns as art

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I don't know anything about art, but I know what I like.

- Gelett Burgess

I've got it bad.

Once upon a time life was uncomplicated. Although I've always been interested in guns, I had simple tastes. As long as I had a couple of good 1911s, a couple of ARs, and a .22lr pistol and rifle I was largely content. (I do lust after a LRB M14 clone though.)

This all started about a week ago. I got the brilliant idea that it might be time for me to get a shotgun. I figured I needed to expand my firearms experience and that I should learn how to hit moving targets. I remembered the fun I had when I went trap shooting with my best friend a while back. So I did some research. I read a bit and perused old threads. I even asked a couple of questions on this forum. I found and was quickly smitten with the Beretta Silver Pigeon, an entry level but excellent quality O/U.

So what did I do? Having found my next gun, was I smart enough to leave well enough alone? Of course not. You can probably guess what happened, I continued with my research. I've been reading all about shotguns, trying to understand how they work. I've been reading about different gauges, different mechanisms, all sorts of things. I'm still a fair bit confused, but at least now I know which questions to ask.

The problem is that my research lead to pictures. Lots of pictures. Pictures of beautifully engraved guns with stocks of unbelievable chantoyance. These guns exhibit such fine craftsmanship that the quality is evident even in pictures. Most of these guns, like the Purdey Over & Under, are as good as unobtainable. Even if I do ever reach a point where I can afford to drop the coin on one of these masterpieces, psychologically I don't think I could ever take that step.

The problem solver in me wasn't satisfied with that cop-out of an excuse. I figured that there had to be a gun for the everyman who appreciates fine quality. It might not have exhibition grade wood, nor would every square inch of the metal be engraved, but there must be something special for guys like me. It would be a lively feeling, largely handcrafted piece with uncommon fit and finish. Not a best gun of course, but beautiful nonetheless and a treasured firearm to be passed down as an heirloom one day.

Enter the Spanish maker Aguirre Y Aranzabal, or AYA for short. AYA makes fine shotguns, and is a bit of a sleeper. I would never have found out about them if not for a short mention in one of Chuck Hawks' articles. According to Hawks, an AYA best gun is equivalent in quality to one from Holland & Holland.

Fortunately for me, AYA is not limited to producing best guns. They make a plainer, boxlock SxS called the Model N 4/53. I've been on their website for the past hour and a half, and trying to figure out when my next trip to Los Angeles is so that I can visit the nearest dealer. I can't explain why I want the AYA, but I can't stop salivating over the prospect of a lithe 6 lb., 29" barreled 20 gauge.

I know I'm being premature. I haven't even bought the Beretta Silver Pigeon and here I am thinking of reasons to buy the AYA. The first reason is that I know my wife will eventually want to go shoot clays with me, and she'll need a gun of her own to use. I love my wife and I want her to have the best. :D Second, and even more unbelievable, I may save the AYA for when I have a mid-life crisis in a few years. I know that a $3500 shotgun is not an insignificant purchase, but at least it's cheaper than a boat, motorcycle, or convertible. It's safer too.

Thanks for listening to the late night ramblings of a sick man. It comforts me to know that there are others that share my affliction.
 
Those are two super good looking shotguns. I took a moment to look them up at Cabela's.

The price of these shotguns makes handling them before you buy extremely important. Determining proper fit in a gun shop is more difficult than at the range.

A 6 pound 20 gauge is great for hunting but not for clay games.
Have you considered looking at 28 gauge?
28 gauge will have far more manageable recoil for a 6 pound shotgun.


Please pardon my envy.

SS
 
I've already tried out the Beretta Silver Pigeon at a local shop. It fit me well. My friend, who used to make custom golf clubs, told me that at 5'9" I was at the sweet spot for things that are one-sized fit all, like golf club sets. Guess it applies to guns too.

With regards to the AYA, I won't be placing the order for that one for a few years. Before I do I'll be stopping by the nearest retailer that carries them. That guy is a competitive shooter and carries all manner of high end shotguns like Perazzi, Kolar, and Krieghoff. He knows all about fit and I'll have him measure me.
 
If you want to look at 4/53's - just go to your local Cabela's if you have one they stock them - but do not be surprised when their model 2 jumps at you.... ;)

AyA has been making fine shotguns for a while - even Sears had them make guns for them in the 50's and 60's - THOSE are sleeper deals

You also have Arrizabalaga, Arrietta, Grulla and Ugartechea to investigate

Then there are the Italians - Piotti, Bertuzzi, FAMARS, even Perazzi is back in the SxS game..............

If you go to GunsInternational.com - they have all brands for sale by various vendors (not an auction site), and they are sorted by maker
 
I've already stumbled onto GunsInternational. I wish I had never found that den of temptation.

I really like the Spanish gun makers. They seem to combine fine craftsmanship and outstanding value. An uncommon combination in double barreled guns.
 
So it begins......

Next thing you know, there's a row of MEC loaders (10 gauge through 410 bore) on your workbench, you're saving up for your next gunsafe, and your kids are named Parker, Purdey and Perazzi.

You receive every catalog where the word "Shotgun" appears at least once, ALL the local DU members know you by name and Federal has you on their Christmas card list.

Welcome to the club.....
 
"chantoyance" :it is used for describing reflectance in gem stones, like cat eye or tiger eye tourmaline.

In gemology, chatoyancy ( /ʃəˈtɔɪ.ənsi/ shə-toy-ən-see), or chatoyance, is an optical reflectance effect seen in certain gemstones. Coined from the French "œil de chat," meaning "cat's eye," chatoyancy arises either from the fibrous structure of a material, as in tiger eye quartz, or from fibrous inclusions or cavities within the stone, as in cat's eye chrysoberyl. The effect can be likened to the sheen off a spool of silk: The luminous streak of reflected light is always perpendicular to the direction of the fibres.
 
You know what the worst part is? As expensive as a fine shotgun is, I think it is only a fraction of the true cost of firearm ownership. I'm a firm believer in Dave's Mantra of Buy Ammo, Use Up, Repeat. As much as I want to be the guy with the Perazzi, I also want to be the guy with 100k rounds through his shotgun, regularly hitting 25/25.

I don't know if this gun thing is good or bad.

:evil:
 
Chantoyance can also be used to describe beautiful, usually exhibition grade wood. It's what gives wood a deep, three dimensional effect. Here's a poor pic showing it, in the curly maple haft and curly koa scales.

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You know what the worst part is? As expensive as a fine shotgun is, I think it is only a fraction of the true cost of firearm ownership. I'm a firm believer in Dave's Mantra of Buy Ammo, Use Up, Repeat. As much as I want to be the guy with the Perazzi, I also want to be the guy with 100k rounds through his shotgun, regularly hitting 25/25.

I don't know if this gun thing is good or bad.
Ask Kim Rhode how many rounds went through her first Perazzi before it was stolen, recovered, and retired - (hint - it was north of 1,000,000)

People look at 8K target guns and wonder why - if you shoot a LOT, the gun is the cheapest part of the equation - targets and ammo far surpass it down the road. Shoot a cheap gun that constantly needs replacing, and you'll soon realize that the high-end gun is the low-cost solution
 
A shotguns as art topic certainly needs a pic of a shotgun! :)

This 1926 A.H. Fox is no Purdey or Perazzi but it's definitely a fine handling piece of Americana, that still locks up like a bank vault, as reliable as the sunrise and is just a dream to take afield.....From my cold dead hands.



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As long as that Fox stock fits you - shoot it!

I have tried to love them - they just do -not-work for my body build - nice gun and rooster
 
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Oneounce, they do have a lot of drop and short LOP. I see you live in hot, humid weather. That may be the difference! The Fox fit is just sweet though when I'm wearing my winter hunting gear, as you can see in the pic, it's cold here.

The old school dimensions do take some adjustment on my end when shooting clays in the off season, warm weather and not wearing the Filson.

I guess these things were made/fit in a time when your hunting coat didn't need hung but literally stood in the corner (like a Filson) waiting there for you to slip an arm in. Almost like an invitation! LOL
 
How about a nice O/U?

Currently for sale .. .if anyone is interested.
 

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One of my first consignment guns was a BE-U-T-FUL Beretta 682 Gold-E. I wish I still had the pictures somewhere.

Sold it to a fellow in PR who was shooting skeet in a league ... normally hitting 17 - 19.

About 4 days after I ship I get a -very- excited phone call from this fellow. He just shot two rounds of skeet ... a 22 and a 23 ... says he never hit that many in his life ... do I have another one of these for his wife? (ya, I gots piles of $3K shotguns here ....)
 
Thomas Ferney

A company new to the States is Thomas Ferney. They are made in Turkey (edit: I'm only sure the wood is Turkish), look great, are hand-made, and won't break the bank.

When I went to purchase a Beretta 687 Silver Pigeon :D, the row of Thomas Ferneys really caught my eye. They look more expensive than their tags indicate. The style is not as delicate looking as many other makers' guns. The designs are bold, but not gaudy. The entry model costs $1,800 and has ornate engraving. I'm completely unaware of its performance, I'm only able to comment on its appearance.

If your in the Baltimore / Washington area, Barts Sports World has the best selection of sporting shotguns on display. I'm not affiliated, I'm a customer.
 
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Aya, made to shoot

This 20ga. detachable side lock has been carried and hunted with at least 50 days a year for the last 17 years as evidenced by the loss of bluing at the balance point. It's accounted for several hundred Pheasants, several dozen Grouse and about a pickup load of Quail.
I bought it new at the factory in Eibar, Spain in 1994 for $2,600.00 and that included the leather trunk case and gold inlay with my initials. It gets used the same as the 20ga. Model 12 it replaced.
It is the most satisfying weapon purchase I've ever made.

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SXS

SXSs and SAD (Shotgun Aquisition Disease).
And then you start thinking about these:
Holland and Holland Royal Double Deluxe:
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Not in my lifetime.
But I have this old Parker....
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Pete
 
That's a nice old Parker! Very distinguished looking. It has a "been there, done that, but was taken well care of the entire way" look.
 
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