I applied for a NYS pistol permit which normally takes 30 - 45 days in my county. Now I am told 4 months or longer(usually takes 4-6 weeks). I also applied in FLA, where now they are saying it can also take that long. My brother recently received both in less than 5 weeks this summer. What is happening, and do not tell me the head of NYS PP Bureau recently retired, what about the thousands of administrators and secretaries. that handle everything. Since it is both NYS and Fla could this be a national slow down for some reason????(MR OBAMA?) What is happening?
Why are NYS Pistol Permits back logged?
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One story that was making the rounds was that the only person in the mental health department who handled that portion of the backround check had retired. That caused a back log of work. Supposedly almost fixed now. And, knowing many state employees, and a few state workers, I can believe it.
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Yes, it was the head of the Pistol Pernit dept, the Mental Health dept and so on. This is BS, they over see the dept. they have nothing to do with the actual papers and research. There are thousand apps per year which are handled by multiple personnel. Do you think the state would set it up that only one person does this and they are to lose $$$$, no there is a real reason out there and I want to know it. Is it political, a certain party, unions reacting to the Gov.'s new contracts, certain politicians trying to accomplish a new law....WHAT!!
I see we have someone who really has no idea what they are talking about. The permit is a state permit, not county, that is why it is called a NYS Pistol Permit. First you go through a FBI ck and then your papers are sent to the State to be further ck and approved. They are then sent back to the county for final approval because of info that may only be found at county level and the final reference and interview ck.
Incorrect. It's a state permit, administered by the counties. In some cases, it's not aministered by the counties, but it's administered by cities.
Actually, first you are fingerprinted, and sometimes interviewed by your local PD. Then those fingerprints are run though a database (I think that's called IAFIS, but I might be wrong on that).
Incorrect. The Pistol Permit Bureau only receives the final dispensations (a copy of the issued permit, a copy of amendments, the Cobis round, etc), but they have no authority over issuance or denial of the permit. That whole bureau could retire, and it would only pile up the filing of paperwork, and have no effect at all on the issuance of permits.
In most cases the delays are the fault of the local PD, getting interviews done, check of local records, etc. The national and state background searches are done at the city or county level. Mental health records search is done at state level. This is the only imput from the state. The permit, with or without restrictions, is issued by a local authority (I think in all cases by a judge) with recomendations from the PD. Permit is good state wide except NYC.
I am speaking of NY.
I am speaking of NY.
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In less you are part of the NYS Pistol Permit Offices you do not know what you are talking of. I had recently contacted them in Albany and was told my papers are there for the State background and mental ck, and that the county can not give final verdict until they receive the findings back. This is usually done within 30 days, but for some reason they have been there for months. You are right that the final decision is made by the county or city and that some take forever, but it has never taken more that 2 months from the time you submitted you app and prints in this county before this summer.
If you want to understand the frustrations and procedures in the permit proces please read the two following forums. You will understand the process after you have done the reading. If you don't want to do the reading - see above.
http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/pistol-permits/
http://www.usacarry.com/forums/new-...nty-ny-pistol-permit-application-process.html
http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/pistol-permits/
http://www.usacarry.com/forums/new-...nty-ny-pistol-permit-application-process.html
Standing Wolf
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Because government operates on its own notions of time. Government pay checks are never late. Everything else is what's known as "negotiable," meaning it needn't be taken seriously.
When I applied for a CCW permit in Colorado, I was told to expect a four-week wait. My permit was delivered in three. I was told it would be good for a year. It turned out to be good for four or five. It's what you might call an "attitude thing."
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Regarding FL, they allow themselves a MAXIMUM of 90 days, although mine came in less than half that, and if you use the electronic version and go to one of the AG dept locations, it is a very short time. Here it is administered by the State department of Agriculture, not the police
To the guy(shepherd) that has been in business for a long time and knows it all. Take it from a retire office of 30 years. The state reviews your app. before the local authorities can take action.
http://www2.erie.gov/clerk/index.php?q=how-apply-pistol-permit
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http://www2.erie.gov/clerk/index.php?q=how-apply-pistol-permit
See step 4
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No. The New York State Pistol Permit Bureau has no role in issuance of permits. Even they don't claim they do:
The document you reference merely means that the county authorities run a criminal record check through both the FBI and state systems. This does not involve the Pistol Permit Bureau, and the Bureau neither reviews nor approves any application before it is issued.
No one is talking about them approving, but what I am stating is that the paper work is sent to the state for cks, both mental and background before any local authority can consider approval. This is where many of them are being held up at this time. The approval is done by the state authorized licensee (county,sheriff, etc) Call any county permit office and they will admit that there is a unusual wait for State response.
"http://troopers.ny.gov/Firearms/
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All records of transaction and pistol permits issued in the state are forwarded to the Pistol Permit Bureau for entry into a master database maintained by NYSP. Documents are filed by county and type of transaction. A paper trail is established for each handgun lawfully possessed in NYS; thus, a handgun can be tracked from owner to owner. Current ownership of the weapon and the legality of a person's possession of the weapon can be quickly determined."
Thats pretty good trick seeing as a handgun can be listed on multiable permits. Most of the people I know have all their guns listed on at least all their family members permits. The woman in the Dutchess county sheriffs office even suggested it.
Bureau responsibilities
All records of transaction and pistol permits issued in the state are forwarded to the Pistol Permit Bureau for entry into a master database maintained by NYSP. Documents are filed by county and type of transaction. A paper trail is established for each handgun lawfully possessed in NYS; thus, a handgun can be tracked from owner to owner. Current ownership of the weapon and the legality of a person's possession of the weapon can be quickly determined."
Thats pretty good trick seeing as a handgun can be listed on multiable permits. Most of the people I know have all their guns listed on at least all their family members permits. The woman in the Dutchess county sheriffs office even suggested it.
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Yes, there are State-based criminal and mental health checks which are done. They are not, not, NOT performed by the Pistol Permit Bureau. The criminal record check is performed by the NYS Division of Criminal Justice Services, and the mental health check is performed by NYS Office of Mental Health. An FBI criminal record check is also performed, as well as the Sheriff's own background investigation.
ttolhurst has got it right.
Chip, you're wrong, everyone is telling you that you are wrong. As a 30 year officer, you should know when you are outgunned and it's time to back down.
Moreover, if you truly are a retired LEO, you should be well aware that you don't NEED a permit... you can carry on your retired badge.
Chip, you're wrong, everyone is telling you that you are wrong. As a 30 year officer, you should know when you are outgunned and it's time to back down.
Moreover, if you truly are a retired LEO, you should be well aware that you don't NEED a permit... you can carry on your retired badge.
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Chip635 said:
drsfmd said:
Whoa... is that what you meant by "a retire office of 30 years"?? If you were a LEO, please tell me that it wasn't in New York State; that would help explain your unfamiliarity with the process.
drsfmd: I imagine that even with LEOSA, retired LEOs in NY still need a pistol permit to purchase a handgun, even if they don't need it to carry.
ttolhurst-- they fill out a 4473. While I always recommend that they get a permit, active duty don't need one (by NYS law at least... I don't know of any exceptions to that, but some municipalities can be wierd). My read of LEOSA would treat retirees the same, but I don't know any who don't have a permit. I would call the NYSP if I had a question about that one...
Birch Knoll
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Ah. Membership has it's privileges!
I have a problem with the original post. NO county in NYS ever processed pistol permits in 30 days. I live in a very rural NY county, and the best we ever did was 6-7 months. Most of your rural counties are taking up to a year now, and even then they're delaying them for arbitrary reasons. Some have experimented with limiting the number of people who can take the mandated safety class, then delayed the permit accordingly. Some have followed the NYC approach of wanting reasons for exercising your rights. Bottom line, when you have a MAY ISSUE law the entire process is caught up in political grandstanding. And here in NY we have more than our fair share of fools. Mr Original Poster, if you're getting your permits processed at all, especially in less than 6 months, consider yourself a lucky subject. We all should have voted more often. 30 days never really happened. Not sure who told you that story. It might have been the case back in the 60's, but not in the last 50 years. We are now the Eastern Europe of the United States.
NOT true about military, Drsfmd. Active military needs pistol permits in NY just like anyone else. Around here, Watertown, NY/Ft Drum, the soldiers have to leave all handguns in their home state OR have them locked up on base. It's ok for them to go to the Middle East and die but not ok for them to have a handgun in the Empire State. We don't want to have rampant crime running through our streets, unless you sell cocaine, in which case it's not such a big deal. But most all of our drug dealers aren't in the military so they aren't bothered by such trivial laws.
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