Ron Paul and guns?

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I think that any of the republicans running will do a much better job than who we have now. I can get behind any of them if they get the nomination. Romney is a 'born again' gun person, but I think he has been sufficiently conditioned as to not throw gun rights under the bus.

I'm not as sold as everyone else here on Ron Paul. I think if his principles were as strong as he insists they are, he wouldn't have run as a republican at all. He would have stayed libertarian. I think he is as flexible as he needs to be. And his foreign policy ideas frankly give me the willies. I think if he gets elected, he will take a MUCH different position than he has professed in the campaign. And regardless of JQA's advice, I won't take any comfort AT ALL in knowing that the vote was split and Obama won again. I would rather pick the candidate that is 80% of what I want and wins, than the one that is 95% of what I want and loses.

A lot can happen in the next few months, but right now I can't see him getting the nomination. A lot of it is not his fault. He comes off as shrill, his tone always sounds like he is doing this high-pitched shout. He always sounds desperate. A lot of what he is discussing sounds more extreme than it is just because of how it is presented. People aren't ready to hear it. And I'll be perfectly honest, it would make me feel warm and gooey inside to see Newt debate Obama.
 
I would rather pick the candidate that is 80% of what I want and wins, than the one that is 95% of what I want and loses.

Of course the problem with that is over time 80% of 80 of 80% etc. and you get what we've got now, voting for the person that's 3% what I want over the person that's only 2%. At some point it doesn't matter if it came from a donkey or an elephant, it all smells the same.

I don't believe anyone can really dispute Ron Paul's record over his entire career, yet you can see Romney has done a virtual 180* switch. Remember, a person that turns on his own to win your favor can and will just as easily turn back on you again when it suits him.
 
No, I absolutely do not have 80% of what I want now in a president. And remember, if O gets re-elected, that leash of feared election backlash will be off, there will be nothing stopping him from directing BATFE from gutting all the policy he can for gun rights. Not a win. If your candidate doesn't win, you get ZERO.

I know you guys think Ron Paul is the Messiah. But remember, even if he DOES win, it's not like he can automatically implement everything he talks about. Just like O couldn't get everything he wanted either.
 
Ron Paul and Guns

Paul is a diehard constitutionalist. If you believe in the Second Amendment, Ron Paul is your man. He's got my vote.
 
I like Ron Paul. I think he's smart and articulate. But he's just so darn crazy and misguided when it comes to central banking and the fed and the 'gold standard'. I can't get past those problems. Backing our currency with a volatile commodity would be just insane. And really if you had to have a commodity to back your currency, better to use something more rare than gold.
 
All the pro-establishment media jackholes keep saying "Ron Paul's support will top out, he doesn't appeal to a broad enough base," and yet his poll numbers just keep going up as more people learn about him. The most recent poll now has him at #2 in Iowa behind Newt, and beating Romney.

The way I see it, if the manipulators in the MSM don't like him, that is a pretty good indicator right there that he must be a pretty decent guy! Plus the fact that he has stood for the same principles for 30 + years. He may have ran as a Libertarian and then as a Republican, but his principles have never wavered. For him it is all about finding the most effective way to get his principles implemented.

And a true constitutionalist pro-gun president could do A LOT unilaterally for gun rights. For one thing he appoints the head of the ATF. Just think what a pro-liberty ATF chief could do! We all know that a lot of the most recent threats to gun rights have been not from Congress, but from administrative regulations passed unilaterally by the ATF... like requiring reporting of multiple long gun sales in the SW and making arbitrary calls on what foreign-imported firearms are for a "legitimate sporting purpose," like when they ruled to cut off importation of the Saiga shotgun. A truly pro-gun president with some balls could make all that go away post haste.

And then there is the whole situation about the State Department shutting down the re-importation of M-1 battle rifles from Korea for sale on the US market... you know stuff like that would be lifted under RP. Under the other candidates? Who knows.

You have the Department of Defense not selling surplus ammo on the civillian market anymore... RP would make that stop.

So even if Congress isn't on board, there is a LOT a good pro-liberty president could do by himself, on the gun issue and lots of others.
 
And remember, this works both ways. If Obama wins, he could do just as much DAMAGE.

I like him just fine, and if he gets the nomination, I'll vote for him. But he will do less to attract the independent voters than other candidates will. again, not his fault, he just comes off as shrill.
 
Not eactly. It is a 2 party system as far as the majority of Americans are concerned, unfortunately. Ron Paul realizes this and runs now as a Republican. But he is definitely a Libertarian. He is also our best hope, but sadly again, he won't get the nod.
He won't get the nod because he REFUSES to run independent!!! Make me mad. He claims the party should be a vehicle to the position and nothing more. Great, I believe that too, but when you have to run in a primary against super right crazy agenda republicreeps, you don't stand a chance of them picking you as their guy.

He needs to run independent. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat, but to be honest, I can't sell out the rest of the nation, Bill of Righs, and Constitution in general over just the 2A and vote for the other clowns.

Basically, for me, it boils down to either voting Obama out in leiu of Paul, but if Paul isn't the guy, my vote is for Obama. On the other hand, I also believe in voting out incumbenets in the house and senate, and I beleive in keeping them divided too. If you have an all Democrat house and president, you get gun control and a bunch of other trash. If you get all republican, you give up everything to big business and not only does the public get to pay for it, they get made to feel the crisis is their fault and that taking any public funds is bad (while banks get all the public funds).

The goverment is broken, and we'd be best off to keep it divided at this point. Then we can hope they will agree on the important things and the ideological things will be just too damn hard to get through and so they'll fall by the wayside.

So for me, it is Ron Paul and Democrat congress critters. Or Obama and republican congress critters. But I can't live with myself picking the better of two evils with no actual plan as to what I want out of governement.

Ron Paul says some crazy things too. Like killing social security and VA disability checks. I depend on those, and I'd still vote for him because I know that it would be impossible for him to pass any of that with a divided house and senate.

Finally, to be honest, Obama hasn't been the anti gun president I thought he would be. I voted for him myself, heck, I even wrote him a letter asking him to run after the speech he delivered at the DNC. I knew he wouldn't be able to pass another ban like the last one given the climate, and he seemed fresh, but he let a lot of us down. He's better than Bush, at least I don't feel like throwing up when I see his picture or hear him talk or feel bad about America because a word salad fall out of his mouth every time it opens, but I still feel like I got shafted.

I think it is time to give Ron Paul a chance. Also, Obama has a VERY high chance of being re-elected given his competition. Bear that in mind, mark my word, you put him up against these clowns and he will make mincemeat out of them. The man is the best orator since Adolph Hitler and Winston Churchhill combined, and maybe better. But you run Ron Paul against him, and all the folks Obama has done wrong by or let down will likely vote for Paul. But you pick the Grinch, and every single one will vote for Obama, hands down. The Democrats, they hate that man worse than they hate being let down by their own.

Get all your republibuddies to primary Ron Paul in, and I gurantee you a LOT of folks that would ordinarily vote for Obama would vote for Paul. Pick a loose cannon, idiot, or clown and you'll get "four more years". Be wise, we could have someone who has a record that he stands by (good and wrong) and isn't a sellout.

This could be a big swing race. See, my extended family is about 300. Almost all said they would vote for Paul, but if it comes down to Obama vs. Gingrich, they'll almost unanimously vote for Obama.

Just my 2 cents, but I think there is much more at stake than 2A this time. Much more. It just seems to me if we get Paul, we might be able to have our cake and eat it too. They guy said so much that he would support 2A, end the drug war, end the mideast wars, and kill the "un-patriot" act. To me, if the man follows his words, is THE president this country needs. Not to mention he is very open to working with both parties equally.

We could have a government that works again. Makes me want to sign up as a republicreep just so I can vote in the primaries.
 
It is a simple choice. He will preserve our God given rights. These were not given by man to be taken away or regulated away by man. That is what he believes so he will not be swayed to nibble around the edges of the 2nd amendment under the guise of security. If you vote for a "lesser evil" because you think they are more marketable in the biased media, then you are throwing away your vote in hopes that we erode our liberty slower than the current pace.
 
Slower is better. It's a question of HOW MUCH slower. You seem to think that Paul could take office and just start issuing orders and changing things. He is only as effective as the congress that gets seated.

And I don't think you are giving the other candidates enough credit, like they are all just as bad as what we have. Not even close. the most iffy one is Romney, and I think that even he would be very careful in the current climate and err on the side of gun rights. I think that there is very little difference between what Ron Paul is actually able to do and what the other candidates WANT to do.
 
mljdeckard said:
I think that any of the republicans running will do a much better job than who we have now.

I completely disagree. The differences between Obama and the other republicans are so trivial that they are non existent. It’s the same pointless wars with no objective and no end, same debt, same ponzi scheme social security BS, same corporate state merger (fascism), same failed war on drugs, same money printing, same healthcare industrial complex, same highest incarceration rate of any country in the world. I would honestly rather see Obama serve another 4 years than Gingrich or Santorum or for that matter any of them other than Ron Paul.

To me Ron Paul is the only one who supports the second amendment from a philosophical standpoint. The others support the second amendment because it is politically expedient and will turn their backs on it just as fast.

And as for Iran: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WVtpmo0KSM

Dan
 
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According to the recent polls, Ron Paul has a better chance of winning against Obama than Newt "Freddie Mac" Gingrich or Willard "Goldman Sachs is my biggest donor" Romney.

As far as guns go, I've known Ron since 1988. He's 100% pro-2nd Amendment.
 
In all fairness, his chances of getting elected President are smaller than a snowball's chance in hell. Everybody thinks he doesn't have a clue and isn't in touch with reality. He couldn't win against Obama or virtually anyone else.
Ron Paul is the most pro-gun candidate in the race.

There's no possible way he will win, though.
Sadly, I don't think he can win.

its amazing how they can repeat this on the mainstream over and over and some people are not strong enough to fight it.......its called "self fulfilling prophecy"...... Good news is a lot of people are waking up and using alternative media and the internet and actually deciding for themselves..

RP2012!!!!!!*+*+*+*+*++*+*+*
 
Since Ron Paul's unwavering support of the 2A is well known and too many people want to discuss other topics there's no point in leaving this open for the non-2A discussion.
 
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